A simple request....
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to be honest we should be able to mock islam as most of us mock every other religion, i do mock them as it provides a bit of humour but noooo do one thing like show a picture of mohammed and they get all arsey.
to be honest, religious people should just sit at home with the curtains drawn and do nothing. it is the only way they will never be offended, some athiests, myself included see religion as something adopted by weak people needing some imaginary thing to guide them, but this is my opinion.
if you get so easily offended you need to do a few things:
1) relax
2) realise religion is not everything
3) get a sense of humour.
and i agree with another poster, the wall hack one was classic!!
daven
edit: oh while we are at it, my uncle has brain damage (not a joke), please delete the picture calling people retarded.
i also am offended by the mocking of stephen hawkings, please delete that
also offended by nuns using a product of the devil (technology) please delete it
i am offended by the racism of the grand theft auto somalia picture please delete it
i am offended by the word "No swearing!" please delete that picture
i think you can see where this is going......grow up and get a sense of humour.
to be honest, religious people should just sit at home with the curtains drawn and do nothing. it is the only way they will never be offended, some athiests, myself included see religion as something adopted by weak people needing some imaginary thing to guide them, but this is my opinion.
if you get so easily offended you need to do a few things:
1) relax
2) realise religion is not everything
3) get a sense of humour.
and i agree with another poster, the wall hack one was classic!!
daven
edit: oh while we are at it, my uncle has brain damage (not a joke), please delete the picture calling people retarded.
i also am offended by the mocking of stephen hawkings, please delete that
also offended by nuns using a product of the devil (technology) please delete it
i am offended by the racism of the grand theft auto somalia picture please delete it
i am offended by the word "No swearing!" please delete that picture
i think you can see where this is going......grow up and get a sense of humour.
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Without wanting to get into some huge debate about religion, first off the bible isn't the word of god. It's the word of man, chinese-whispered over 2 and a bit thousand years, re-written, translated and edited again and again.
God is probably the only person who knows what the original texts look like!
Secondly - cartoons about jesus...offensive?
Thin Skin -1 vs satire?
I can understand religions where the actual depiction of a given diety is forbidden being a bit cranky when it comes to cartoons, but christians? You need to lighten up a tad.
My personal fave is the PA 'Jesus is metal' cartoon, where he's giving the horns, classic!
The images have no place in this thread.
Otacon
God is probably the only person who knows what the original texts look like!
Secondly - cartoons about jesus...offensive?
Thin Skin -1 vs satire?
I can understand religions where the actual depiction of a given diety is forbidden being a bit cranky when it comes to cartoons, but christians? You need to lighten up a tad.
My personal fave is the PA 'Jesus is metal' cartoon, where he's giving the horns, classic!
The images have no place in this thread.
Otacon
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I don't think anyone's mentioned this (I stopped reading after a while), but I'd just like to remind everyone that under UK law we DO NOT have complete freedom of speech. Remember, causing racial hatred or however it's phrased is now a criminal offence.
Why?Squark said:
Who is the better christian, the person who reads the bible cover to cover, takes it at face value - following every sentiment literally (and so persecuting blacks, homosexuals, those of other faiths, people who work on sundays, etc, etc). Or the person who interprets the sentiment of the bible, lives their lives trying to do good by others?
I am a christian, I try to live my life how I think the Lord would want me to, but I also think for myself, and I would be the first to admit that there are parts of the bible which I cannot blindly believe - because they are impossible - but that's not to say that I dismiss the teachings because of this, more I try to interpret the meaning of the teaching.
I think saying what you have only serves to alienate both non-chrisitans and more liberal christians alike
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William said:
Aah, but if you are insulting enough then you are guilty of breaking the law and as long as OCUK are hosted within the UK, they too are commiting an offence, at least as I understand it.
Oh, and just for the record, I'm just pointing out that nowadays in the UK we've lost our freedom of speech, something we should be concerned of as I'm a big supporter of it.
Raikiri said:
You're right, Jews and Sikhs are protected by UK law so I logically assumed Islam and Christianity would be considered the same. Apparently Jews and Sikhs are a race and Christians and Muslims aren't
UK law is great
But anyway, my main point is that freedom of speech isn't total in the UK.
Pudney@work said:You're right, Jews and Sikhs are protected by UK law so I logically assumed Islam and Christianity would be considered the same. Apparently Jews and Sikhs are a race and Christians and Muslims aren't
UK law is great
But anyway, my main point is that freedom of speech isn't total in the UK.
Nevermind the UK mate, it isnt total anywhere in the world even in the worlds biggest so called democracy...USA....
Spawn said:Nevermind the UK mate, it isnt total anywhere in the world even in the worlds biggest so called democracy...USA....
It was a lot better until the UK and USA decided to use terrorism as a means to curtail civil liberties.
Oh, and amusingly enough blasphemy is still illegal in Britain, the things you learn when you're bored on a Friday night.
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DRZ said:
Complete cobblers.
Lets take the word BIBLE away and rename it the Jewish History Book.
If you say the Jewish History Book is a work of fiction then you can also say that all the writings of the Greeks, Egyptians, Mayans, Romans etc was all made up and of course Battle Of Hastings, Fire Of London, Black Death, Battle Of Trafalger etc. The only history we can really start to believe is the second world war because we had media where we saw pictures etc.
From when man invented the written word/symbols he has wrote his history down and The Jewish History Book is no different. 99.5% of the Jewish History Book has nothing to do with Jesus/God but concentrates on wars, plagues, diseases, laws, trade etc and now and then the word God gets mentioned.
Contradictions eg Eye For An Eye and Though Shalt not Kill. They're totally in different books wrote by different scribes who were 100's of miles away from each other (probably) and a 1000 years from each other.
The main problem non believers have (like me) is the Raising Of The Dead and Turning Water Into Wine nonsense. However, with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls (other Jewish history documents) they now realise that they are sayings.
Water equals unbeliever and wine equals believer.
Dead equals unbeliever and living means believer.
Therefore Jesus turned unbelievers in believers.
Since the mid 70's I believed that Jesus was a normal man who was married and that was way before the Da Vinci code.
Sorry for the rant but it gets my blood boiling when people will accept the whole history of the world but selectively say that part of the world made everything up.
dmpoole said:
As I did quite clearly state in the opening line of my post, the Bible is exactly as I called it if you take it at face value. It is more than immediately obvious that it was never intended to be taken at face value as is the case with most good texts of any period. The concepts of simile and metaphor were not lost on the many authors of the Bible.
Contradictions between books within the Bible are fair game for attack as they are all under the same umbrella. The Old Testament was included (in my opinion) as sort of a marketing exercise - "Look how angry God can get, he wants to do to you what you did to others but if you follow Christ and his New Testament, the world is a lot more forgiving! Join us and God will forgive you, else you will burn in the Hell of the Old Testament".
The reason why I feel it acceptable to call into question this particular volume of text in this instance is nothing whatsoever to do with me selectively choosing what part of history to believe.
If the Bible was written and stowed away as a piece of history it wouldnt have any real reason to be believed (or disbelieved) above any other piece of historic text. The fact is, it wasnt. It was used to exert control over as many people as possible and further used to extract as much money from those who it controlled. This fact alone gives me a reason to question the authenticity of it. If it got them more money by electing to omit less favourable works (looking at it as a collection of individual writings) then it isnt going to be anything but inaccurate.
Other works have alternative sourced that arent all derived from the same originals (or covered in the spilled blood of non believers) and so their authenticity can be confirmed. This is not the case for the bible as far as I am aware.