A year on from 30 series release

[Wrinkly]

Having dodged Turing I went from a £720 1080Ti FTW3 to a £720 3080 TUF OC just for RT, which hasn't disappointed. I'm excited to hear how DLSS 3.0 is improving, while keeping my fingers crossed it's not restricted to Lovelace and beyond. XeSS also looks great and I hope Intel and Nvidia can work together on an API that supports both.

Next year I hope to see a huge increase in RT performance, which will probably force me to pickup the best card again from either AMD, Intel or Nvidia around the £750 mark.

 

[Joxeon]

So what do you think a good price for the 3060Ti is then? Considering the likes of the Vega 64 and 5700XT were both more expensive at launch than the 3060Ti and only offered a slight performance on the previous gen I'm puzzled to what a good price would be. As you said, £700 for a 2080Ti should have been the launch price, still double the 3060Ti.

Around £220 for a 3060 £300 for the 3060ti £400 for a 3070 £550 for a 3080 and £700 for the 3080ti would be around the price points you'd expect Which is still way above inflation increases over the last 10 years

Last gen was pretty bad for performance with only the overpriced 2080ti being notably faster than a 1080ti so that's why performance looked a lot better this time around but really it was only catching up to where it should have been.

AMD being competitive this time meant the dies got moved up a tier in the stack else we'd have had the same poor performance increase we saw from Turing.

 

[varkanoid]

Around £220 for a 3060 £300 for the 3060ti £400 for a 3070 £550 for a 3080 and £700 for the 3080ti would be around the price points you'd expect Which is still way above inflation increases over the last 10 years

Last gen was pretty bad for performance with only the overpriced 2080ti being notably faster than a 1080ti so that's why performance looked a lot better this time around but really it was only catching up to where it should have been.

AMD being competitive this time meant the dies got moved up a tier in the stack else we'd have had the same poor performance increase we saw from Turing.

So £369 for the 3060ti FE is a good price.

 

[ljt]

So what do you think a good price for the 3060Ti is then? Considering the likes of the Vega 64 and 5700XT were both more expensive at launch than the 3060Ti and only offered a slight performance on the previous gen I'm puzzled to what a good price would be. As you said, £700 for a 2080Ti should have been the launch price, still double the 3060Ti.

The prices should have been

3060 - £250
3060Ti - £280
3070 - £330
3070Ti - £370
3080 - £470
3080Ti - £650
3090 - £800

 

[Dave2150]

Beginning to think this was a reallignment of the global market as opposed to a temporary 'shortage'. I think we could be looking at 3 more years before stock is plentiful.

They just need to up the base MSRP (including founders editions) by 30-40% or so, to get supply back in order.

 

[Joxeon]

So £369 for the 3060ti FE is a good price.

In the current climate compared to AIB models then yes but in terms of a 60 class cards traditional pricing + inflation then no.

 

[Wrinkly]

The prices should have been

3060 - £250
3060Ti - £280
3070 - £330
3070Ti - £370
3080 - £470
3080Ti - £650
3090 - £800

I think you're a little low there. Just focusing on the 80s a quick google got me (feel free to double check) -

       Node   Transistors    Size
Model  (nm)   (billions)     (mm2)   Memory(GB)  Launch               Price

1080   16nm    7.2 billion   314      8 GDDR5X   May 27, 2016         $449
2080   12nm   13.6 billion   545      8 GDDR6    September 20, 2018   $699
3080    8nm   28.3 billion   628.4   10 GDDR6X   September 17, 2020   $699

Your pricing may have been possible for a RTX 20/3080 without silicon for both RT and Tensor cores and the various interfaces, GTX 20/3080, but tech has to move forwards.

 

[Skynet5]

I still think people are ignoring that these cards can print money.

 

[Paracelsus]

We've all been seriously put off by it, I feel.

Yup.

Happy to work on my older PC game and console (3DS, PS5, PS4, Switch) backlog. I'll poke my head above the surface when I can get a PS5 equivalent card for ~£300

 

[jaybee]

I think we learned that things are predictably rather rubbish for a number of reasons. I can't see things changing until profitable mining ends, and even then I think Nvidia and amd will kind of assume people see these prices as the norm and will keep paying them. Sadly I think a lot of people will continue to buy, as a lot of PC gamers will pay any money to continue what is almost fast becoming more of a niche thing to play the latest triple A games on PC platform.

The deliberate holding back on the vram has been annoying to leave room for future milking of the market. Ray tracing has not really taken off as much as talked about. We seem to be forever bound more and more by which titles run best of green Vs red team based on sponsorship deals and driver differences. 4k gaming at high fps was promised but we are no where near it in some newer games with anything other than a 3080 or 3090. The closer we get, the bar gets raised again and again in the ongoing quest to have more and more eye candy....

The whole gpu market is about the same as the monitor market. Dog ****

 

[ljt]

I think you're a little low there. Just focusing on the 80s a quick google got me (feel free to double check) -

       Node   Transistors    Size
Model  (nm)   (billions)     (mm2)   Memory(GB)  Launch               Price

1080   16nm    7.2 billion   314      8 GDDR5X   May 27, 2016         $449
2080   12nm   13.6 billion   545      8 GDDR6    September 20, 2018   $699
3080    8nm   28.3 billion   628.4   10 GDDR6X   September 17, 2020   $699

Your pricing may have been possible for a RTX 20/3080 without silicon for both RT and Tensor cores and the various interfaces, GTX 20/3080, but tech has to move forwards.

Possibly, but the price creeping upwards started with the 10 series cards. Plus our crappy exchange rate for a long period didn't help. I probably should have done my prices in $ to keep things consistent due to exchange rates

If we were back at $1.5+/£1 exchange rate prices would look slightly better

 

[chroniclard]

I still think people are ignoring that these cards can print money.

Lots of people dont want to mine, I have not bothered(other than a few days trying it out) as did not want to wreck my card (yes most people will be absolutely fine mining).

 

[delvey]

The prices should have been

3060 - £250
3060Ti - £280
3070 - £330
3070Ti - £370
3080 - £470
3080Ti - £650
3090 - £800

Based on what? Research and development for anything can costs £millions for something like this and that is before you've even made a product. Silicon price is through the roof (ignore inflation, you are dealing with raw materials where price is volatile). People spouting prices like this probably have never worked in the manufacturing world.

 

[ljt]

Based on what? Research and development for anything can costs £millions for something like this and that is before you've even made a product. Silicon price is through the roof (ignore inflation, you are dealing with raw materials where price is volatile). People spouting prices like this probably have never worked in the manufacturing world.

You asked what I think prices should be as a consumer - I told you.

I couldn't care less what the reasons behind the high prices are - I'm a customer, not a manufacturer/designer. That's all I deem the cards worth to me personally. If you think they are worth more then good for you.

 

[Joxeon]

Based on what? Research and development for anything can costs £millions for something like this and that is before you've even made a product. Silicon price is through the roof (ignore inflation, you are dealing with raw materials where price is volatile). People spouting prices like this probably have never worked in the manufacturing world.

Here a good vid detailing the effects of price rises that we should expect from material and shipping increases.

 

[delvey]

You asked what I think prices should be as a consumer - I told you.

I couldn't care less what the reasons behind the high prices are - I'm a customer, not a manufacturer/designer. That's all I deem the cards worth to me personally. If you think they are worth more then good for you.

It's absolutely bugger all to do with "what they are worth" and about how much it costs Nvidia to produce them. I'm sure we would love them all to the cheaper, but if Nvidia sold everything at a loss, we would have no Nvidia.

 

[Poneros]

I still think people are ignoring that these cards can print money.

They definitely are, but such people can't be helped. Ultimately the market lives on without them.

 

[Sarge2255]

Nvidia are excellent when it comes to marketing so even when you overpay you think your getting a deal.

what about AMD?

 

[Sarge2255]

So what do you think a good price for the 3060Ti is then? Considering the likes of the Vega 64 and 5700XT were both more expensive at launch than the 3060Ti and only offered a slight performance on the previous gen I'm puzzled to what a good price would be. As you said, £700 for a 2080Ti should have been the launch price, still double the 3060Ti.

I feel as if Nvidia and AMD are making 100% markups. So every card should cost half price

 

[ljt]

It's absolutely bugger all to do with "what they are worth" and about how much it costs Nvidia to produce them. I'm sure we would love them all to the cheaper, but if Nvidia sold everything at a loss, we would have no Nvidia.

It's totally all to do with what I think they are worth, because it's my money I'm parting with and so that's all that matters to me. If I don't think something is worth what they are asking I don't buy, even if I can afford it.