Poll: Abortion, Roe v. Wade

[dowie]

There was a bit of chat about this in the Elon Musk thread so figured I'd start a new thread here as it's rather off-topic to that one.

There is a bit of hysteria in the US at the moment as some landmark supreme court judgment that, until now, has severely limited the ability of states to impose limits on abortion looks set to be overturned or at least greatly diminished. The reason for this is Mississippi has proposed a 15-week limit on abortions.

Now the ruling being overturned doesn't seem to be all that unreasonable, there does seem to be a reasonable argument that it was a stretch, that the constitution doesn't protect this and that this should be down to legislators. There are however some potential bad consequences, at least in the short term, in some states (this has also been overhyped a bit I think) however the majority of the population in the US is in favour of abortions up to a point at least just as most Europeans are.

I'm personally pro-choice/pro-abortion on demand up to some arbitrary pre-viability limit like say 15 weeks then only special exceptions after that point much as the liberal person described by the woman on Bill Maher is here:

I wonder what the general opinion of GD is - perhaps a poll?

options:

fully pro-life including embryos
pro-life but exceptions for morning-after pill and IUDs
pro-choice only up to heartbeat limit <6 weeks
pro-choice up to some pre-viability limit, say 15, 18 weeks etc..
fully pro-choice until birth

****edit - to be clear - the above is re: elective abortions for any reason, abortions for medical issues etc.. are a separate thing/dimension that people might have differing views on/different tolerances beyond general limits.****

 

[montymint]

Poll added as per @dowie's request.

Please try to keep things civil here peeps.

 

[dlockers]

pro-choice until ~12 years old

 

[Hagar]

Poll added as per @dowie's request.

Please try to keep things civil here peeps.

Why the change in poll option 4 ?

From a time base to mothers medical condition. The latter should be a seperate item if considered necessary

 

[dowie]

I'm assuming he means up to some viability limit + exemptions for medical conditions etc.. beyond that?

(The poll is really about abortion by choice, I guess exemptions for rape, medical issues etc.. is a separate thing and another dimension to the question rather than another choice/poll option as it's possible to be fully pro-life say including embryos but still be reluctantly approving of abortions in the case of medical emergencies etc..)

 

[Lysander]

Pre-viability here. Fully support abortion up till that point.

 

[montymint]

Why the change in poll option 4 ?

From a time base to mothers medical condition. The latter should be a seperate item if considered necessary

I'm assuming he means up to some viability limit + exemptions for medical conditions etc.. beyond that?

Yes basically that.

For example my niece was viable much later due to her mum having high BP causing her (my niece) to develop much more slowly than a regular pregnancy.

 

[Lysander]

I don't know the details of the case much but I imagine religion has a big part to play in this.

The Christian fundies I know are fully pro-life, one of whom said to me abortion was a sin because "we need all the babies".

So I think this is another example of Christian Amuerrica doing it's thing.

 

[montymint]

I've added an additional otion for pro life unless danger to mother

However this did reset the votes, can people please vote again if possible?

Apologies for breaking it @dowie

 

[dowie]

I've added an additional otion for pro life unless danger to mother

However this did reset the votes, can people please vote again if possible?

Apologies for breaking it @dowie

Ah, that's a separate issue though, the poll is supposed to be about elective abortions. You could be for or against a medical exemption for any of the 4 options with limits to them including the 6-week limit, the 15-week/pre-viability limit etc..

 

[dlockers]

I don't know the details of the case much but I imagine religion has a big part to play in this.

The Christian fundies I know are fully pro-life, one of whom said to me abortion was a sin because "we need all the babies".

So I think this is another example of Christian Amuerrica doing it's thing.

Which is ironic because they really DGAF once the baby is born. No healthcare for instance.

 

[cheesyboy]

The US is insane on the abortion debate. Which is probably why they've just relied on the precedent of Roe Wade rather than actually legislate. It's a ******* mess over there.

This twitter thread sheds light on a side-effect of banning abortions and prosecuting women who abort: that any failed pregnancy becomes a potential crime.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1523680953087913985

 

[Chris Wilson]

Is there anything stopping women in stringent anti abortion states travelling to a state with more lenient rules? I remember a doctor once telling me if you want to make a load of money open an abortion clinic next to Holyhead ferry port....

 

[montymint]

Ah, that's a separate issue though, the poll is supposed to be about elective abortions. You could be for or against a medical exemption for any of the 4 options with limits to them including the 6-week limit, the 15-week/pre-viability limit etc..

No bother, I can roll that off without effecting the list.

 

[cheesyboy]

Is there anything stopping women in stringent anti abortion states travelling to a state with more lenient rules? I remember a doctor telling me if you want to make a load of money open an abortion clinic next to Holyhead ferry port....

I believe some of the states are legislating that travelling for abortion access is also a crime.

But it also means poor or vulnerable women would have no access still.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Which is ironic because they really DGAF once the baby is born. No healthcare for instance.

Yup, and pro-life as long as they don't have to take the vaccination.

I'm for abortions pre-viability as well. I would never "have one" myself, but I firmly believe that the parents have a right to choose. And in the case of rape, the mother has the right to choose.

 

[Hagar]

Ah, that's a separate issue though, the poll is supposed to be about elective abortions. You could be for or against a medical exemption for any of the 4 options with limits to them including the 6-week limit, the 15-week/pre-viability limit etc..

Quite. The UK has a time limit and also seperately a medical reasoning to end a pregnancy.

I found the original @dowie list was reasonable inclusive of a time limit which any prospective mother could use.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

Its a difficult one and not something I've given a huge amount of thought to being a bit of a non issue in the UK. I'd say pro-choice somewhere between conception and perhaps up to 10 weeks. I'm sure there would be some who wouldn't find out until 11 weeks in though.

Under 6 weeks seems kind of crazy and over 20 even more so. 24 in the UK (I think?) seems kind of high. That's 6 months in!

 

[XeNoN89]

Pre-viability here.

I was someone very ignorant to how traumatic an abortion can be for a woman. The fact a woman would be willing to go through this means there must be a very good reason to do so and they should have that option in those circumstances.

 

[413x]

It's kind of unbelievable how America could even possibly go backwards in this regard.

But then again.. Trump got in