Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2012, Yas Marina - Race 18/20

Setroc · 2 Nov 2012 at 14:33

How come everyone's talking about edwards when it's legard doing the P2 commentary

King Damager · 2 Nov 2012 at 15:45

Sebs red bull to have a kers failure, he drops out, Alonso wins?

Please.

To be honest I don't care what happens so far as Alonso overtakes Seb.

kd

Skeeter · 2 Nov 2012 at 16:47

King Damager said:
To be honest I don't care what happens so far as Alonso overtakes Seb.

Pretty much this.

King Damager · 2 Nov 2012 at 16:54

Skeeter said:
Pretty much this.

It's really weird, at the beginning of the season, I didn't much like Alonso. But after this season. If one of them deserves to win their third WDC, it's Alonso, not Seb.

kd

Duke · 2 Nov 2012 at 17:46

P2 Results

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[b]Pos  Driver                Team                   Time               Laps[/b]
 1.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault       1m41.751            33
 2.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes       1m41.919s  + 0.168  33
 3.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes       1m42.412s  + 0.661  35
 4.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault       1m42.466s  + 0.715  21
 5.  Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault          1m42.500s  + 0.749  33
 6.  Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault          1m42.532s  + 0.781  27
 7.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari                1m42.587s  + 0.836  30
 8.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari                1m42.823s  + 1.072  32
 9.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault       1m42.998s  + 1.247  36
10.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari         1m43.106s  + 1.355  35
11.  Bruno Senna           Williams-Renault       1m43.191s  + 1.440  33
12.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes               1m43.200s  + 1.449  35
13.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes   1m43.255s  + 1.504  33
14.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes               1m43.267s  + 1.516  31
15.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes   1m43.578s  + 1.827  33
16.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari         1m43.689s  + 1.938  31
17.  Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1m44.260s  + 2.509  26
18.  Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1m45.073s  + 3.322  18
19.  Vitaly Petrov         Caterham-Renault       1m45.245s  + 3.494  35
20.  Heikki Kovalainen     Caterham-Renault       1m45.782s  + 4.031  32
21.  Timo Glock            Marussia-Cosworth      1m46.589s  + 4.838  34
22.  Charles Pic           Marussia-Cosworth      1m46.671s  + 4.920  30
23.  Pedro de la Rosa      HRT-Cosworth           1m46.707s  + 4.956  25
24.  Narain Karthikeyan    HRT-Cosworth           1m47.406s  + 5.655  34

Duke · 2 Nov 2012 at 18:05

pingwing said:
Oh thought this was Chilton's first outing.

He has done straight line tests but first time on a proper practice session.

413x · 2 Nov 2012 at 19:34

Ooh pleased with that result

Looks very much like a car circuit!

Reaper 392 · 2 Nov 2012 at 19:43

dammit, was getting my hopes up for a slow seb after P1, but i guess that isnt happening

tummelv · 2 Nov 2012 at 23:17

I know the usual fuel loads fuel loads fuel loads but P7+8 for Ferrari behind both Lotuses isn't encouraging.

Sparky · 2 Nov 2012 at 23:38

King Damager said:
It's really weird, at the beginning of the season, I didn't much like Alonso. But after this season. If one of them deserves to win their third WDC, it's Alonso, not Seb.

kd

Strange comment, surely the driver who deserves it is the one that scores most points like any other year.

413x · 2 Nov 2012 at 23:44

tummelv said:
I know the usual fuel loads fuel loads fuel loads but P7+8 for Ferrari behind both Lotuses isn't encouraging.

Thomas. PLease. · 3 Nov 2012 at 00:04

Sparky-F1 said:
Strange comment, surely the driver who deserves it is the one that scores most points like any other year.

I think what he means is that Alonso is where he is because he has consistently way outperformed his car. Vettel has done nothing of the sort. In that sense he is a more deserving driver.

In my opinion I really can't stand to see seb take another wdc. It's painful to watch and is killing f1 for me tbh. Stick any of the top half of the grid in that car and they would most likely win, yet the tv pundits won't stop piling on the praise for him and what a great driver he is.

Sparky · 3 Nov 2012 at 00:06

Funny because Mark isnt.

Sparky · 3 Nov 2012 at 00:12

or maybe that can be explained by the fact that not only do we have time to build Seb a superior car, we also have time to build Mark a less superior version, in which case, thanks. The boys in the factory are better than i thought.

413x · 3 Nov 2012 at 00:24

Thomas. PLease. said:
I think what he means is that Alonso is where he is because he has consistently way outperformed his car. Vettel has done nothing of the sort. In that sense he is a more deserving driver.

In my opinion I really can't stand to see seb take another wdc. It's painful to watch and is killing f1 for me tbh. Stick any of the top half of the grid in that car and they would most likely win, yet the tv pundits won't stop piling on the praise for him and what a great driver he is.

That's why I support a team over a driver. 95% car.. And long may it stay. I don't want single spec cars

arknor · 3 Nov 2012 at 00:36

Sparky-F1 said:
Funny because Mark isnt.

depends if you would put mark in the top half of the grid, hes always been inconsistent when hes good hes good but he can be almost invisible or well behind where he should be fairly often

he seemed better before all the coanda exhaust crap started up again same as he didnt seem to like EBD much either

Sparky · 3 Nov 2012 at 00:37

arknor said:
depends if you would put mark in the top half of the grid, hes always been inconsistent when hes good hes good but he can be almost invisible or well behind where he should be fairly often

he seemed better before all the coanda exhaust crap started up again same as he didnt seem to like EBD much either

Fair enough comment.

drunkenmaster · 3 Nov 2012 at 01:51

Sparky-F1 said:
Funny because Mark isnt.

I'd say its more a case of, the only thing you can really say about Vettel, is he's better than Webber, he may be better than Alonso/Hamilton, but cruising around infront of everyone not really pushing the car doesn't prove that.

ULtimately Vettel can usually beat him in qualifying and has far less really bad qualifying sessions than Webber, and that makes a huge difference. Webber might be the second best driver on the grid, or the 10th best, or 20th, all we can say is Vettel is quite clearly outperforming him.

It seems like Webber tends to get more bad luck, more tyre issues and more kers issues, but ultimately when problem free he doesn't seem to have the pace.

i'm not sure Alonso has "outdriven" his car as much as people have said either, too much focus on qualifying pace and not enough on race pace, which Ferrari were solid in from the start of the season. I'm not sure Alonso deserves it because his driving has been spectacular, but he's done more exciting and difficult overtaking moves than Seb has this year, thinking ducking and diving in Valencia, ultimately Alonso got a 25 point gain on Seb because the Red Bull died than because Alonso drove brilliantly.

Ferrari have made mistakes but few and far between, one for the team(giving away second in Canada) and one from Alonso(turning into Kimi). I'm fairly sure I said not a few races ago that Ferrari will have some bad luck and ALonso will make a mistake, all drivers do.

You feel that Alonso has had more exciting drives and good races(compared to the cars ability) than Vettel has... but Vettel has needed to drive really hard less often.

Its not so much Vettel doesn't deserve it, its that he hasn't really proved it, because the car has been so good he's cruised to all his wins with no competition, and hasn't exactly blown everyone away when the car wasn't the best.

For me, no driver has had more points taken off him than Hamilton, his car hasn't had the margin say Vettel has had, when he has won, and no one else, full stop, has managed to finish races with as broken a car as he has in the past 3-4 races. The fishtailing drive, as Whitmarsh said, was the best point won ever for Mclaren, that car shouldn't have been capable of finishing let alone stealing a point or keeping anyone behind for as long as he managed.

Hamilton driver of the year so far for me, Alonso, put in the best drives of those in contention for the title, Vettel, might be great but hasn't really for 3 years had to prove it such is the dominance of Red bull's car.

arknor · 3 Nov 2012 at 02:15

Sparky-F1 said:
Fair enough comment.

Maybe Vettel isn't as good as Alonso or Hamilton we have no accurate way of comparing them as long as they are in different teams.

Can we really say Vettel wont have earned his titles ? most of the drivers have worked hard to "earn" their place on the grid and they all know its a bit of a lottery with some teams having more tickets than another but its not a championship based on pure luck, anyone who wins it did something to earn it.

sunama · 3 Nov 2012 at 04:03

Vettel's a great driver.
By the end of next year he may have 4 titles to his name.
BUT, Alonso is just that bit better.

Which driver deserves to win the title? IMO, Alonso. Best driver in F1.
Which team deserves to win the title? IMO, RBR. No doubt about it. RBR are such a well-drilled outfit, other teams can learn a thing or 2 from them.

People heap praise on Newey, but Horner is a damn good manager.

RBR appear to bring in heaps of upgrades to every race. If the reports are true, then Alonso was about to tweet a message that the rear end of the Ferrari car is exactly the same today as it was a few months back.

What I am most impressed with, is that RBR are consistently, year after year, churning out the best car. This isn't a 1-hit wonder. And this year, when they didnt have the best car, they kept pushing and never gave up. As a result, they have finally ended up with the best car.

Top spice up the title race we need a DNF from Vettel, otherwise, it is conceivable that Vettel could win the title before the last race of the season.