Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22

[chrcoluk]

After CAS let Man City get away with ffp murder, I don’t put anything past them.

Yeah it is a lottery for sure.

 

[adam cool dude]

There is also another part of the steward hearing report which states they accepted Masi's reasoning for only allowing some cars by as only the lead cars matter, yet Sainz in 3rd still had a lapped car between him and Max in second, so apparently 3rd isnt a lead car in Masi's eyes. CAS might disagree with that one as well.

The FIA are going to have to explain the inconsistencies, and also why Masi decided no lapped cars passing to suddenly lapped cars passing, and as well as what you pointed out why previous processes were not followed.

Would CAS accept "for the entertainment" as a reason?

Exactly what about the cars that were not allowed to unlap themselves. You had championship points and constructors points at stake as well.

The evidence all points to the fact that everything was done to allow max to win.

Don't get me wrong if it happened 10 laps previous and Max had won the race it would have been accepted although annoying but the rules would have been followed and adhered too. The evidence here simply shows it has been hell bent to give him the championship.

 

[Kenai]

I think Merc might not appeal though so we wont find out.

They've already lodged their intention to appeal.

 

[Jono8]

I quickly edited the last bit from .12 to .13 after you quoted me

Unfortunately as someone else mentioned 15.3 is really vague.

trouble is, i dont think that would hold up in court.

The intention of a rule can't be to just let Masi make up any old ****. What if Masi said Lewis had to give up his position to Max before the restart? If the race director can just completely fabricate any old arbitrary rule to do with the safety car, that is obviously not the intention of the rules for a sporting competition.

 

[MooMoo444]

I think Merc might not appeal though so we wont find out.

The money they invest in being in F1 and the ridiculousness of that last lap, it was never in doubt they would appeal, and they have every right.

 

[Psycho Ned]

After CAS let Man City get away with ffp murder, I don’t put anything past them.

Ironically Mercs QC is the one who got City off the FFP

Red Bull criticise Mercedes for taking a barrister to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (planetf1.com)

 

[Jono8]

Exactly what about the cars that were not allowed to unlap themselves. You had championship points and constructors points at stake as well.

The evidence all points to the fact that everything was done to allow max to win.

Don't get me wrong if it happened 10 laps previous and Max had won the race it would have been accepted although annoying but the rules would have been followed and adhered too. The evidence here simply shows it has been hell bent to give him the championship.

and that is where i think Merc have a good chance in court. The fact that only the cars between Lewis and Max were allowed to go through, and then the race was rushed to restart immediately (not the following lap) after that speaks of nothing but total bias against Lewis.

 

[robfosters]

Ironically Mercs QC is the one who got City off the FFP

Red Bull criticise Mercedes for taking a barrister to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (planetf1.com)

That bloke must be caked up to the eyeballs!

 

[chrcoluk]

They've already lodged their intention to appeal.

Ok thats good.

I dont like results been decided after the fact, my interest at this point is for the FIA to be bruised and Masi to lose his job.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I'm not up to speed on everything F1, why is it ironic?

Schumacher was indirectly involved in the Latifi crash. His dads record of 7 titles remains unbroken which is why I said ironic.

 

[ShiWarrior]

and that is where i think Merc have a good chance in court. The fact that only the cars between Lewis and Max were allowed to go through, and then the race was rushed to restart immediately (not the following lap) after that speaks of nothing but total bias against Lewis.

thats what i basically said earlier.. the FIA restarted far to early, it was NOT "Safe" to do so, and against their own rule

 

[muon]

If Masi quits does he he have to show up at CAS?

 

[.Lethal]

trouble is, i dont think that would hold up in court.

The intention of a rule can't be to just let Masi make up any old ****. What if Masi said Lewis had to give up his position to Max before the restart? If the race director can just completely fabricate any old arbitrary rule to do with the safety car, that is obviously not the intention of the rules for a sporting competition.

I agree. Honestly it could go either way at court, this could drag on for a while.

 

[bayo000]

There is also another part of the steward hearing report which states they accepted Masi's reasoning for only allowing some cars by as only the lead cars matter, yet Sainz in 3rd still had a lapped car between him and Max in second, so apparently 3rd isnt a lead car in Masi's eyes. CAS might disagree with that one as well.

The FIA are going to have to explain the inconsistencies, and also why Masi decided no lapped cars passing to suddenly lapped cars passing, and as well as what you pointed out why previous processes were not followed.

Would CAS accept "for the entertainment" as a reason?

Can't see it being overturned, if the rules are ambiguous and the race director has the authority under SC and he decided to restart the race as quickly as possible then it's up to him how he goes about it.

thats what i basically said earlier.. the FIA restarted far to early, it was NOT "Safe" to do so, and against their own rule

How was it not "safe"? Were there still marshals on the track?

 

[glenimp617]

Ok thats good.

I dont like results been decided after the fact, my interest at this point is for the FIA to be bruised and Masi to lose his job.

I hate when people have to go, but I think he has no choice.

 

[ShiWarrior]

Can't see it being overturned, if the rules are ambiguous and the race director has the authority under SC and he decided to restart the race as quickly as possible then it's up to him how he goes about it.



How was it not "safe"? Were there still marshals on the track?

how about driving faster than the back markers ?

 

[englishpremier]

If Masi quits does he he have to show up at CAS?

No since it's not a court of law there's nothing to compel him to. It's merely an organisation specialising in dispute resolution.

I'm sure he would though to save face.

 

[Jono8]

Can't see it being overturned, if the rules are ambiguous and the race director has the authority under SC and he decided to restart the race as quickly as possible then it's up to him how he goes about it.

But the rules are not ambiguous.The rules of the safety car are what the teams followed and based their decision making on.

Masi just entirely made up his own rule which was clearly designed to benefit Max at that exact point in this race.

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

I hate when people have to go, but I think he has no choice.

I suspect he will quietly "step down" once the appeal is over, regardless of the result.

 

[ShiWarrior]

I suspect he will quietly "step down" once the appeal is over, regardless of the result.

that could happen