Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22

Rate the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix out of ten. If you want. I can’t be arsed.


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If they red flagged the race surely that would be another talking point as they are usually shown for if it will take a long time to restore the safety of the circuit or really bad racing conditions, none of which were really valid. It would have been valid grounds for Merc to question that too as it brings Max right back next to Lewis even though Lewis was way ahead.
 
Masi didn't need to red flag the race. It wasn't warranted. Safety Car was all that was needed, and once the Safety Car is deployed, it's deployment and how the pack is managed is pretty clear in the rules. Those rules were not followed and Masi made up his own that gave an overwhelming advantage (intended or not) to Verstappen, and no one else.
 
This all highlights a fundamental issue with the safety car, it is a tool to solve a specific problem but creates another. Namely that it nearly always disadvantages the leader. The obvious question is that why should back markers be removed for the benefit of some when the lead car has already had to navigate them? It is simply a dynamic of closed circuit racing.
 
Masi didn't need to red flag the race. It wasn't warranted. Safety Car was all that was needed, and once the Safety Car is deployed, it's deployment and how the pack is managed is pretty clear in the rules. Those rules were not followed and Masi made up his own that gave an overwhelming advantage (intended or not) to Verstappen, and no one else.

If you read about it, you will notice that Masi had every right to make these type of decisions.

Its only not nice because Ham didnt win. Nobody would be complaining if the shoe was on the other foot.
 
If you read about it, you will notice that Masi had every right to make these type of decisions.

Its only not nice because Ham didnt win. Nobody would be complaining if the shoe was on the other foot.

If it had been the other way around and Lewis was gifted the win, I would feel it was a very hollow victory, this is from a massive Hamilton fan, I so wanted him to win but without a fair fight it's not right.
 
A great summary from Sky Sports Crofty just now. Covers all the points, for & against, raised over the last 30+ pages.

He never focussed on one of the main issues. Why MM only let through some drivers, advantaging MV, disadvantaging LH and everyone else behind MV. He seemed to concentrate on why there was no red flag which was never on anyway.
 
@koolpc I think that's a stretch. Not a Lewis fan by the way, Max neither to be fair. The FIA will mark their own homework no doubt, but is is clear that this loose interpretation of the rule means that F1 is now just entertainment masquerading as sport.
 
He never focussed on one of the main issues. Why MM only let through some drivers, advantaging MV, disadvantaging LH and everyone else behind MV. He seemed to concentrate on why there was no red flag which was never on anyway.

Thanks for sharing. Good info
 
This all highlights a fundamental issue with the safety car, it is a tool to solve a specific problem but creates another. Namely that it nearly always disadvantages the leader. The obvious question is that why should back markers be removed for the benefit of some when the lead car has already had to navigate them? It is simply a dynamic of closed circuit racing.

It doesn't necessarily disadvantage just the leader though, if the rules are applied correctly (and if we weren't in a crazy period where p3 and backwards is always miles behind).

Yes, it puts them all back to square one essentially, but if the rules are followed then the teams know what to expect. However, only letting a select few cars unlap themselves does make it desperately unfair to some drivers. That is why it isn't in the rules and is clearly an absurd rule to just make up on the last lap of the title deciding race.
 
A great summary from Sky Sports Crofty just now. Covers all the points, for & against, raised over the last 30+ pages.


It's cute that people still think this is somehow some sort of debate with "for & against"

It isnt. There is no rule that says a select few drivers get to unlap themselves and not the rest, because that is quite clearly absurd and intensely unfair on those left lapped or left behind those that couldn't unlap themselves.

Masi's made up rule was for the sole benefit of Max Verstappen. It put him right behind Lewis AND without 3rd or 4th place behind for him to think about on the restart. It also completely ruins Mercs strategy call as it made the safety car period much quicker than expected had the rules been applied.
 
I just want Masi gone really.

There's no way he knew the **** show he was about to create and I doubt he knew the rules inside out enough to know he had a get out card when it kicked off.

He basically collapsed under pressure and has managed to bring the sport into disrepute while 7 million or so people watched.

The FIA won't admit he and by extension they got it wrong, but they can ask him to step down during the winter when the heat has passed.
 
@koolpc I think that's a stretch. Not a Lewis fan by the way, Max neither to be fair. The FIA will mark their own homework no doubt, but is is clear that this loose interpretation of the rule means that F1 is now just entertainment masquerading as sport.

It will be interesting to see if this some unlapped cars can pass and some not issue pops up again now they've created a precedent.
 
It's cute that people still think this is somehow some sort of debate with "for & against"

It isnt. There is no rule that says a select few drivers get to unlap themselves and not the rest, because that is quite clearly absurd and intensely unfair on those left lapped or left behind those that couldn't unlap themselves.

Masi's made up rule was for the sole benefit of Max Verstappen. It put him right behind Lewis AND without 3rd or 4th place behind for him to think about on the restart. It also completely indicates Mercs strategy call as it made the safety car period much quicker than expected had the rules been applied.

Making a living off of F1 the pundits aren't going to take a side or really go for it, I wouldn't if I were them.. but I'm not and it was a complete **** show. Are the rules in F1 reflected in any other FIA formulas? Someone somewhere has got to be taking a look at this and thinking nah **** that.
 
29) Articles of the International Sporting Code
29.1
All Competitors and Drivers are reminded of the various requirements detailed in the FIA International Sporting Code. In particular I would like to remind you of the following articles detailed below.
29.2
Article 9.15.1 “The Competitor shall be responsible for all acts or omissions on the part of any person taking part in, or providing a service in connection with, a Competition or a Championship on their behalf, including in particular their employees, direct or indirect, their Drivers, mechanics, consultants, service providers, or passengers, as well as any person to whom the Competitor has allowed access to the Reserved Areas.”
29.3
Article 12.2.1 – Breach of Rules and in particular Article 12.2.1.l “Any infringement of the principles of fairness in Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike manner or attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way that is contrary to sporting ethics.”
29.4
Article 12.4.5 “For all the FIA Championships, cups, challenges, trophies or series, the stewards may also decide to impose the following penalties: Suspension for one or more Competitions, withdrawal of points for the Championship, cup, challenge, trophy, series.”
29.5
Article 12.4.5.a “Points should not be deducted separately from Drivers and Competitors, save in exceptional circumstances.”

A shame Masi didn't read his own reminders from the event notes :p ;)
 
The fundamental issue with what happened yesterday is that the outcome of a race was chosen by someone in charging of upholding the rules, bending them.

F1 results are constantly changed by luck, bad calls, bad calls in hindsight and however many other things. Results shouldn't be changed by someone who had a very simple job doing it badly.

Hamilton had dominated the race and Masi made a decision which gifted the win to max. The rules are very clear on what he should have done and how he should have handled the situation.

He had 2 choices.

Follow the rules that should have been applied and Hamilton is very likely to have won the race that he has dominated.

Do something complete against the accepted rules and make it 98% sure that Max would take the win.

It was an easy decision to make and you have to ask why he made the wrong call. I would be astounded if there wasn't massive pressure on him to entertain at all costs even if that "drama" was a simple pass for Max that any driver on the grid would have made, let alone someone of Max's talents.
 
The fundamental issue with what happened yesterday is that the outcome of a race was chosen by someone in charging of upholding the rules, bending them.

F1 results are constantly changed by luck, bad calls, bad calls in hindsight and however many other things. Results shouldn't be changed by someone who had a very simple job doing it badly.

Hamilton had dominated the race and Masi made a decision which gifted the win to max. The rules are very clear on what he should have done and how he should have handled the situation.

He had 2 choices.

Follow the rules that should have been applied and Hamilton is very likely to have won the race that he has dominated.

Do something complete against the accepted rules and make it 98% sure that Max would take the win.

It was an easy decision to make and you have to ask why he made the wrong call. I would be astounded if there wasn't massive pressure on him to entertain at all costs even if that "drama" was a simple pass for Max that any driver on the grid would have made, let alone someone of Max's talents.

That's what is so odd. The decision for him to make was quite simple. He just had to follow the rules and how a safety car restart happens in every other race.

Yes it meant the race ends under the safety car, but that's just how it is. You can't arbitrarily just turn the rule book on its head to artificially create another lap of racing.
 
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