Abu Dhabi Prix 2015, Yas Marina - Race 19/19

For someone who was supposed to be half a second quicker than Button he's done basically nothing this year. He's had a crap car but that doesn't mean hitting someone is the car's fault. His one result was literally handed to him on a everyone but Ferrari ****** up the race platter.

Perez has been awesome this year, Bottas really didn't do anything notable.


Smedley has always been an idiot, saying there is an indicator to tell them a driver is there and to stay further into the slow lane and further to the right... wtf. There is a lane and there is where you drive through to enter/exit the pit. Mclaren pit entry was Williams pit exit, unless he stopped directly in front of his own box(like literally move one car length than stop) that was always 100% going to be a collision unless Button randomly decided to abort his pit stop and so not turn right into Bottas.

Always disliked Smedley and the bull he comes out with about Massa over the years, this statement makes him look completely stupid. Unsafe release is known as a rule and what it means for years. yet Smedley is suggesting that they have some system which makes an unsafe release... safe... and is thus Bottas's fault.
 
drunkenmaster said:
For someone who was supposed to be half a second quicker than Button he's done basically nothing this year. He's had a crap car but that doesn't mean hitting someone is the car's fault. His one result was literally handed to him on a everyone but Ferrari ****** up the race platter.
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Huh. It's not a full moon, but you've posted something that I agree with. Ah well, suppose it was always possible that it would happen one day.
 
Tbh I don't think the McLaren has been good enough or consistent enough for any opinion to be formed on the driving of either driver this year.

I imagine Alonso is only in that list because of the "best driver on the grid" love in the paddock inexplicably seems to have for someone who's now won nothing for a decade.
 
smr said:
2015 AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10

1 Lewis Hamilton (229pts)
2 Sebastian Vettel (180)
3 Nico Rosberg (113)
4 Max Verstappen (77)
5 Daniil Kvyat (69)
6 Fernando Alonso (57)
7 Valtteri Bottas (52)
8 Sergio Perez (48)
9 Daniel Ricciardo (47)
10 Kimi Raikkonen (37)

Just LOL.
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The scary thing is that the people who created this list have a say in the direction F1 takes. F1 doesn't stand a chance :p
 
Alonso is still trading on the past in the minds of many, that's why he's so far up the list. I would absolutely love to see what Alonso could do in a Mercedes. At the final season test at the end of the year, whenever there's a large change in regulations for the next season they should let every driver have ten laps in the championship winning car. I'd love to see what Verstappen, Alonso, Bottas and even Will Stevens could do in the Mercedes.
 
Well as Hamilton is driving for Mercedes, presumably Alonso would get in his way, blackmail the boss, cheat, and then quit, all while being beaten by Hamilton?
 
This is the first year since I got into F1 about 30 years ago that I didn't watch all the races that I could.

I didn't bother with the Abu Dhabi GP at all, I was out most of the weekend and deleted the recordings from the Sky box on Sunday evening. It's time to save some £ and cancel Sky Sports as we only have that for the F1.
 
Skeeter said:
I imagine Alonso is only in that list because of the "best driver on the grid" love in the paddock inexplicably seems to have for someone who's now won nothing for a decade.
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Absolutely if your only measure is being in by far the best car to win all the time. That Stirling Moss I mean he never won **** all. Hamilton never got near another title until he was strapped in the best car probably ever built. Alonso on the other hand got close multiple times against a car everyone was crying about. Hamilton wouldn't have run anything like as consistent in a car that wasn't the class of the field, he has shown that often enough. Yet there's little doubt in that same mercedes he would have buried two titles and Rosberg with far less fuss.

Vettel wins the title comfortably, he's a chump who only won in the best car. Hamilton only wins in the best car and he's a god despite a tiny change that makes the car faster upsetting him to such a degree his broken team mate can beat him. Yet Alonso nursed dogs to the line year after year, in fact I have never seen anyone being able to drive around issues like he can.

Hamilton bleated Vettel was winning only because of the car, now he's winning because of the car he makes comments about it being more than the car. F1 such a self interested pile of crap where drivers make all the money despite winning having so very little to do with them.
 
JRS said:
Vettel got the hate that he did simply because he's German. Nothing more. People can try and dress it up any other way they want, but it boils down to that :)
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Not sure I agree.

I think a combination of the finger wagging, which was genuinely annoying, how RB (or at least the management) conducted themselves generally, and also showing obvious favouritism to Vettel over a fan-favourite in Webber was what irked most fans.

I really like Vettel now he's moved to Ferrari and calmed down a bit. And he's still German last time I checked. Same goes for Hulkenburg.
 
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...and-nico-rosberg-warned-they-could-be-dropped

I thought this was just a sensationalist headline at first, but there are some strong words from Toto in this interview:

"The biggest weakness is the dynamic of the relationship between the drivers - and sometimes between the drivers and the team."
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So not just the relationship between the drivers, but also the relationship between the drivers and the team. I wouldn't have expected such a candid comment from him. It is easy to think back to radio instructions and how drivers react to them, but there's probably more behind the scenes than anyone knows about.
 
The_Abyss said:
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...and-nico-rosberg-warned-they-could-be-dropped

I thought this was just a sensationalist headline at first, but there are some strong words from Toto in this interview:



So not just the relationship between the drivers, but also the relationship between the drivers and the team. I wouldn't have expected such a candid comment from him. It is easy to think back to radio instructions and how drivers react to them, but there's probably more behind the scenes than anyone knows about.
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I can see them getting rid/releasing Rosberg at the end of next year and maybe bringing in a young driver to act as Hamilton's number 2 with a view of him becoming number 1 once Hamilton starts his rapping/fashion career in a couple of years.:o

Have Mercedes got some young drivers in their program that will be looking for a first team push as it were?
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
I can see them getting rid/releasing Rosberg at the end of next year and maybe bringing in a young driver to act as Hamilton's number 2 with a view of him becoming number 1 once Hamilton starts his rapping/fashion career in a couple of years.:o

Have Mercedes got some young drivers in their program that will be looking for a first team push as it were?
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I can see them dropping Hamilton, pretty sure there's a pressure somewhere in Merc to have German driver win in German car. I was thinking the other day that if they knew they were going to have such a dominant car when they signed Hamilton that they would have gone with another German driver instead.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Absolutely if your only measure is being in by far the best car to win all the time. That Stirling Moss I mean he never won **** all. Hamilton never got near another title until he was strapped in the best car probably ever built. Alonso on the other hand got close multiple times against a car everyone was crying about. Hamilton wouldn't have run anything like as consistent in a car that wasn't the class of the field, he has shown that often enough. Yet there's little doubt in that same mercedes he would have buried two titles and Rosberg with far less fuss.

Vettel wins the title comfortably, he's a chump who only won in the best car. Hamilton only wins in the best car and he's a god despite a tiny change that makes the car faster upsetting him to such a degree his broken team mate can beat him. Yet Alonso nursed dogs to the line year after year, in fact I have never seen anyone being able to drive around issues like he can.

Hamilton bleated Vettel was winning only because of the car, now he's winning because of the car he makes comments about it being more than the car. F1 such a self interested pile of crap where drivers make all the money despite winning having so very little to do with them.
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Who says the Ferrari was a dog, only people who constantly talk up Alonso as the best in the field say it's a dog. It was at worst on average the second fastest car while he was there, only really 2012 was Mclaren faster than Ferrari over the season. Alonso has a scruffy style and he seemingly pushes the team to create a car for him like that. Everyone interprets that as an undriveable car that Alonso is doing miracles with.

Likewise Ferrari miraculously pays someone 20mil who look dire alongside the champion they pay 30-40mil and everyone goes... wow look how good that one driver is doing based on how badly that other known driver is doing.

Make Massa/Kimi crap and you turn the other driver into a star by inference. Funny how Massa leaves Ferrari and doesn't look as big a joke(in pace, still hits everything he can though).


As for not being consistent, yeah, one year in which the only reason he was beaten by his team mate was DNF's of which most weren't his fault means he's inconsistent. The fact that as a rookie at Mclaren he started off with one of the most unbelievably consistent runs in F1 history while you know out driving Alonso easily. In 2012 it wasn't Hamilton being inconsistent, it was his team screwing him over entirely that dropped him away from a title fight.

It's funny that the only time Alonso looks dramatically further ahead of his team mate is at teams that run a obvious no.2 driver. At Mclaren both times without that he's failed to show such an advantage... it's almost like that advantage is manufactured.

If you don't have the best driver or the best car, slowing down your second driver makes everyone think you have the best driver on the grid, which means all the sponsors want to throw money at the driver and the team because all the fans will watch him.

Kimi said:
Ive never understood the Hamilton hype. Hes good, but hes not as good as Vettel or Alonso. imo
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Never understood it? Hamilton dominated Alonso in his rookie season... simple as that. Rosberg is also a much better driver than Webber(more down to qualifying than race pace) in a regulation period where overtaking is not drastically but a little harder. Beating an actual no.2 driver who was repeatedly asked to sacrifice to help out the no.1 is less impressive than beating a driver on equal standing within the team. That isn't to say I think beating Rosberg is particularly hard, just that it's still harder than beating Webber was for Vettel.
 
The problem with any team that has Alonso in it is they end up having to micro manage him, instead of getting on with managing the car and the rest of the team. it deflects their priorities all the time, look what happened at McLaren with him.
I feel that JB has given a master class lesson to Alonso in driving and how to get the team upon JB's side and once again he is winning the pyschological battle at the team, just as he seems to have done in the past. All that Alonso is doing is stirring up bad feeling towards himself.
 
chriscatt said:
The problem with any team that has Alonso in it is they end up having to micro manage him, instead of getting on with managing the car and the rest of the team. it deflects their priorities all the time, look what happened at McLaren with him.
I feel that JB has given a master class lesson to Alonso in driving and how to get the team upon JB's side and once again he is winning the pyschological battle at the team, just as he seems to have done in the past. All that Alonso is doing is stirring up bad feeling towards himself.
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What in the same way Mclaren had to micro manage Lewis you mean? Come on they had to wipe his backside for him. Even titmarsh said he was over pampered. When ever it wasn't going lewis way he became a diva. Any time something goes a little wrong he starts finger pointing.

The only reason he got the better of Alonso was because Ron did his best to upset the champion driver they employed in favour of the rookie. Look at how this forum cries about anything going Rosbergs way like it's a conspiracy. Imagine if merc hired a rookie next year and they did their best to unsettle Lewis in favour of a home driver to the team (A german) like Lewis was a home driver to Mclaren. I can understand why Alonso was upset, I can't condone what he did next but I can see why he had issues winning the title that year. Look how lewis needed constant reassurance, in similar circumstances I don't think he would have faired anything like as well.

JB given him a masterclass, hahaha. Really? Even DC beat Mika when the car was ****. When a car is that bad and unreliable it's hard to gain anything meaningful from a few points. As for stiring it up, it's not like JB has poked at the team is it? Some of his comments would have caused him to have been thrown on the fire by Ron for mocking his team had the car been good enough to be able to employ have decent.
 
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