Accident

Six6siX said:
almost 24 actually :) with a bit of luck I'll make it lol.

The stickers provide no information about my mindset either. Though, as I have expressed already, this is my concern about how things will be percieved.
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Exactly. Insurers won't know you, just like I don't. But they'll use, largely, the same thought processes that I just used...
 
and we will all be upset when they reduce the limit to 30 and bung up a camera.
We all make mistakes, just glad it wasnt more serious.
obviously a difficult car to handle like a few others
 
[TW]Fox;15760258 said:
A Supra Twin Turbo can be a properly lairy car which demands respect and skill to master. Before you lambast me for being a keyboard warrior - it's probably skill I don't have. I wouldnt buy myself a 400bhp RWD car without driver aids unless I had a lot more experience or training on something because I know I'd have a fair chance of ending up like the OP.
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Definatley agree with this. I want this type of car at some point in the future but it wont be until i'm 'properly trained' after driving a few lower powered RWD cars first and build my way up to the magical 300-350bhp. :)
 
Yes, unfortunately, your insurance is going to be extremely high. It's also affecting the rest of us young drivers, because the stereotype of young drivers with more torque than sense is keeping prices sky-high. Thanks I guess! :p
 
[TW]Fox;15760258 said:
There isn't really any 'to be fair' when there is a random bloke sitting at home wondering what he's going to do now his MPV is in bits.

I really think this thread hammers home the point that there are certain cars you just shouldn't jump into simply because you can afford them. What is the OP's car history? Has he driven this sort of car before or did he jump straight into it following years of driving around in FWD stuff?

A Supra Twin Turbo can be a properly lairy car which demands respect and skill to master. Before you lambast me for being a keyboard warrior - it's probably skill I don't have. I wouldnt buy myself a 400bhp RWD car without driver aids unless I had a lot more experience or training on something because I know I'd have a fair chance of ending up like the OP.

People just seem to think provided you can afford to buy and insure a car thats all there is too it...
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I have driven a fair few FWD cars and a couple of older RWD. Not as high power as the Supra, but there is always a starting point. For me, it was never a case of "Oh I can afford to buy and insure this now w00t" I spent a long time saving up, researching and test driving various models in different guises (probably not as long as you did Fox when you got your 530 ;) ) and I thought about my car choice very carefully.

There was nothing I felt more sure about. I took additional courses and learnt through experience getting to grips with the car through the last year. As I said, it is likely to be a combination of a number of things, experience (or lack thereof) potentially being one of them.
 
KNiVES said:
Yes, unfortunately, your insurance is going to be extremely high. It's also affecting the rest of us young drivers, because the stereotype of young drivers with more torque than sense is keeping prices sky-high. Thanks I guess! :p
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Anytime, yeah insurance renewal won't be pretty :(

I sold the Prelude, but I have a 306 will might just be manageable :)
 
Six6siX said:
The stickers provide no information about my mindset either. Though, as I have expressed already, this is my concern about how things will be percieved.
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Well of course they do, you are obvious a serial baby killer.

I'm off to remove any stickers from my car, along with the Junction Produce tissue box, which may indicate that I secretly have the mindset of a Japanese businessman.

But lets not judge a book by it's cover eh? ;)
 
I do love the fact that some people are claiming that we should feel sorry for the MPV driver - It was an accident for god sakes! Wrong place at the wrong time, it could have hadn't to anybody, likewise it could have happened to no-one if the MPV decided to have another cup of coffee that morning, it is one of those things that could not really be helped - The car bit back, it sounds as simple as that.

It's all well and good trying to blame him, but I VERY much doubt any of those criticizing him have driven a 400BHP car in the wet with a very, very basic traction control system (UK Cars do have TRAC, right?) and a powerband that isn't exactly linear.

Nor do I think age is particularly relevant. Because he is 23 and has a bodykit on a Turbocharged Jap car he MUST have been driving like a mad man, right? It is that sort of assumption that makes me worried that the OP may get snowed under with dangerous driving charges :(. Given the fact that he has bothered to hunt down a UK TT Six rather than buying the cheapest Jap TT Auto he could find signals to me that he is a 'proper' enthusiast, and us 'proper' enthusiasts tend to look after our cars/drive them with more care than most.

This thread hasn't not put me off buying a fast car whilst I'm young - I don't buy that 15 more years experience in dull run of the mill cars is going to prepare you any better for a a 400BHP car after 5 or so years driving slightly more interesting metal. All I've learned from this thread is when I finally do get my hands on a TT Aristo I'll be performing the mod that allows the Turbos to come on in parallel instead :)
 
Joshy said:
I do love the fact that some people are claiming that we should feel sorry for the MPV driver
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Why shouldn't we be? He was minding his own business until somebody elses actions caused him to have possibly the most harrowing experience of his life so far :p

- It was an accident for god sakes!
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Well no, it wasn't.


It's all well and good trying to blame him, but I VERY much doubt any of those criticizing him have driven a 400BHP car in the wet with a very, very basic traction control system (UK Cars do have TRAC, right?) and a powerband that isn't exactly linear.
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Nope - I've not. And I wouldnt. Because I know my skills at driving are not sufficient to control a car like that day to day. Just like the OP's skills are not. So I wouldnt even try it until I was a much better driver. Something you learn with... yes... experience.

I don't buy that 15 more years experience in dull run of the mill cars is going to prepare you any better for a a 400BHP car after 5 or so years driving slightly more interesting metal.
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Nobody is suggesting that. 15 years of driving around in a Focus wouldnt prepare you at all. 18 months in a normally aspirated MR2 or perhaps a 200SX, on the other hand...

You cant jump straight into a 400bhp Supra after owning only FWD stuff and not expect to get bitten, hard. They are proper hardcore drivers cars - you need a lot of skill to tame a Supra.

Or it bites you.

Which is fine if its just you who is bitten, but this Supra bit some poor guy going to Homebase as well. And I still don't really think the OP is happy to concede it was all his fault..
 
[TW]Fox;15760487 said:
Yea there is no truth in the rumour that people with heavily modified Japanese cars tend to drive them in a manner that might cause them to end up smashed all over the opposite carriageway :p
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Yeah, of course they all do. I haven't got any tread left on my tyres because I've been doing 4WD launches outside Tesco and living out my Makinen fantasies up in Hassocks.

There doesn't happen to be a rumour about a 20-something guy managing to bin his 5 series into a ditch on a RR day despite having the fabled DSC, and the worlds greatest tyres™ (according to Evo magazine). And yet it happened. ;)
 
[TW]Fox;15760550 said:
Which is fine if its just you who is bitten, but this Supra bit some poor guy going to Homebase as well. And I still don't really think the OP is happy to concede it was all his fault..
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I posted a thread on here saying I caused an accident! It quite clearly is my fault :confused:
 
Gaijin said:
There doesn't happen to be a rumour about a 20-something guy managing to bin his 5 series into a ditch on a RR day despite having the fabled DSC, and the worlds greatest tyres™ (according to Evo magazine). And yet it happened. ;)
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Damn straight it happened - because my talent wasn't quite as strong as my brain thought it was. There was only one reason I parked it in a ditch - because I didn't have the skill required to approach the limits in a car like that.

Yet the big difference is that I never once blamed anyone but me. It wasn't the car. It wasn't the fact it was powerful (ish) and RWD. It wasn't the fact the roads were greasy and muddy (Which they were, but its not an excuse). I was inexperienced and didn't drive in a way to suit the conditions. I wasn't speeding either (The OP seems to think that because he was under the speed limit everything is ok?).
 
Which ones, the ones where you said it might have been diesel or the ones where you said 'I wasn't even speeding'? :p

What do you fancy as your next car?

Edit: Dont worry about opinions etc in this thread. People are just discussing stuff over the internet. The main thing is that you are ok, the guy you hit is ok, and you learn something from what happened :)
 
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