Acer Predator X35 200hz HDR

This is one of the only FALD monitors with a decent size. I'd be coming from a 55" HDR400-600ish tv at 3 feet and want to improve framerate, backlight conformity and corner light bleed, and I want over HDR1000 spec

So there are the two 35" 200hz FALD monitors coming in December 2018 at £2000 estimate
and 1 TV the new LG superUHD LCD with FALD SK9500 but it is also £2000 @ 55"
There is OLED but pc mode is dull so it's a no go instantly because 4:4:4 colour is reported dull by many users and I'd want the backlight right up high and would wreck the tv in 3 months.

The LG tv is available now so really I only need to wait for the world cup to get it for £1500-£1600 I reckon and it's a FALD tv with over 1000nits and a 1080/120 mode for fps too. These 35" guys with HDR might not hit til next year and the ultimate screen the NVidia 65" 4k ones would need too much gpu power for my wallet.
 
bemaniac said:
This is one of the only FALD monitors with a decent size. I'd be coming from a 55" HDR400-600ish tv at 3 feet and want to improve framerate, backlight conformity and corner light bleed, and I want over HDR1000 spec

So there are the two 35" 200hz FALD monitors coming in December 2018 at £2000 estimate
and 1 TV the new LG superUHD LCD with FALD SK9500 but it is also £2000 @ 55"
There is OLED but pc mode is dull so it's a no go instantly because 4:4:4 colour is reported dull by many users and I'd want the backlight right up high and would wreck the tv in 3 months.

The LG tv is available now so really I only need to wait for the world cup to get it for £1500-£1600 I reckon and it's a FALD tv with over 1000nits and a 1080/120 mode for fps too. These 35" guys with HDR might not hit til next year and the ultimate screen the NVidia 65" 4k ones would need too much gpu power for my wallet.
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Pc mode?

My e7 hasn't switched nor gives me a pc option mode? :confused:

Mine runs in 4:4:4, which is what you need for pc usage with a TV and doesn't look dull at all. If it is running at anything but 4:4:4, then it is dull/washed out.

But yup, if you are going to be exceeding the recommended luminance of 120 then oled is not for you.
 
Ah yeah rename an input to PC and it will go into this mode and disable a lot of features but will show 4:4:4 correctly according to the most technical review I could find.
 
bemaniac said:
Ah yeah rename an input to PC and it will go into this mode and disable a lot of features but will show 4:4:4 correctly according to the most technical review I could find.
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Ah I see.

I already disable all the stuff like edge enhancement, tru motion etc. anyway so doubt I will gain anything from moving to pc mode.
 
Renamed the input to PC mode last night and it does exactly as said, just disables/greys out everything that should already be disabled in the first place, on a side note, custom 21.9 resolutions seems to work a lot better now, just need to figure out why I can't get 60 or 120HZ for it now!

Colours look much the same to me too, maybe ever so slightly dialled back a bit (still using technicolor preset)

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Hard to show of the colours, especially if viewing on a LCD screen!

Input lag/response feels the same (no surprise since everything that would add lag was already disabled)
 
Looks nice actually there. I view desktop in around HDR600 on my tv but not OLED. Contrast leaves a big impression in the image so I'd image in person that is much better than native on my screen.
 
bemaniac said:
Looks nice actually there. I view desktop in around HDR600 on my tv but not OLED. Contrast leaves a big impression in the image so I'd image in person that is much better than native on my screen.
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Oh yes definitely waaaaaaaaaaaay better in person.

Oled is just one of these things you need to see with your own eyes and set up properly in your own environment I.e. not a store with bright lighting like Curry's :p

crinkleshoes said:
@Nexus18 - what's the game in that first pic please? Looks interesting
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Far cry 5

Stunning looking game.
 
Nexus18 said:
Oh yes definitely waaaaaaaaaaaay better in person.

Oled is just one of these things you need to see with your own eyes and set up properly in your own environment I.e. not a store with bright lighting like Curry's :p
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Yes it really looks a lot better in person. A window if you will :p. That you can view on a 179-179 degree axis and true black levels. Plus great motion capabilities.

Also gaming on a large screen is much better especially for immersive games. Coupled in with proper HDR, true blacks, great motion. Makes a very nice experience.

Having seen nearly every top brand TV, nothing comes close. Its amazing how much of a difference even just the black levels and viewing angles make for low light viewing.
 
tyler_jrb said:
Yes it really looks a lot better in person. A window if you will :p. That you can view on a 179-179 degree axis and true black levels. Plus great motion capabilities.

Also gaming on a large screen is much better especially for immersive games. Coupled in with proper HDR, true blacks, great motion. Makes a very nice experience.

Having seen nearly every top brand TV, nothing comes close. Its amazing how much of a difference even just the black levels and viewing angles make for low light viewing.
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haha :D It may sound cheesy as hell that but it really is the best way to describe OLED :p

I put BF 1 on the other day to try it out on the big screen and was actually very impressed with how well it played on 55", I found it a lot easier to do well tbh (despite it not being as nice as sitting at a desk with M+k properly set up), probably due to the sheer size and just being able to spot people/things more easily (and better motion + lower input lag than my monitor)
 
belcebuu said:
Do we know if for the X35 FALD only works with HDR content? does it mean that without HDR we will still get backlight bleed?
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Yes, we know. A zone will dim or brighten as necessary, with or without HDR content. It doesn't matter. FALD is controlled by the monitor firmware, not by the signal coming from the GPU.

At least theoretically, in zones that are entirely black, there should be zero BLB. In practice there might be, but likely so little you couldn't tell just by looking at it. In zones that aren't entirely black you will have BLB, but more or less, depending on how bright the brightest pixel in a zone must be.
 
a5cent said:
Yes, we know. A zone will dim or brighten as necessary, with or without HDR content. It doesn't matter. FALD is controlled by the monitor firmware, not by the signal coming from the GPU.

At least theoretically, in zones that are entirely black, there should be zero BLB. In practice there might be, but likely so little you couldn't tell just by looking at it. In zones that aren't entirely black you will have BLB, but more or less, depending on how bright the brightest pixel in a zone must be.
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This is a G-SYNC HDR monitor and the FALD is tightly controlled by the G-SYNC board. It is likely to be a coupled feature and not indepdendently activated, especially as I've used local dimming solutions on other models that can't be activated outside of HDR even without 'G-SYNC HDR' being a thing.
 
PCM2 said:
This is a G-SYNC HDR monitor and the FALD is tightly controlled by the G-SYNC board. It is likely to be a coupled feature and not independently activated, especially as I've used local dimming solutions on other models that can't be activated outside of HDR even without 'G-SYNC HDR' being a thing.
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Hey PCM2

I think you're saying that the LEDs of the dimming array are individually controlled only when the monitor is provided a HDR10 signal. Is that correct?

I have no experience with the two FALD monitors currently on the market, but I'm aware of some HDR televisions where local dimming works that way. While deliberate (so not technically a bug), such televisions are sloppy and unfinished products. When provided with an SDR signal, there is obviously no need to increase brightness beyond what is typical for SDR, but at least in the case of FALD, there is much to be gained by dimming LEDs in those zones that lack bright content. There is no technical reason FALD can't or shouldn't be active in this way at all times. My unscientific and subjective impression is that pretty much all FALD televisions going forward will make full use of their local dimming capabilities, even when viewing SDR content. The Philips 65PUS7601 is one such example.

Now to monitors...

For the typical FreeSync monitor with HDR supporting inputs (DP1.4 or HDMI 2.0), where each OEM cobbles together their own firmware, I fully expect one or the other OEM to cut corners and release one or more similarly sloppy and unfinished HDR monitors. I suspect you'll be proven correct, at least in some instances.

However, at least some television OEMs will do FALD correctly. At least some monitor OEMs will do FALD correctly for their high-end FreeSync2 monitors as well. nVidia then simply can't afford to have a brand new controller that can't compete in the very common scenario where the monitor is displaying SDR content, particularly because nVidia doesn't update its G-SYNC controller very often. That's the risk properly built HDR competitors pose.

For the SDR competitors the risks are even greater. SDR monitors that cost $1000 will still incorporate high-quality panels. In these instances, the HDR monitor's very costly FALD based local dimming capability is its only notable hardware-based differentiator. Simply ignoring that capability will "downgrad" the $2000 HDR monitor to roughly the performance of the $1000 SDR monitor. As SDR content will remain very common for the foreseeable future, it will be very hard to convince people to spend $2000 for something that improves things only some of the time, and maybe not even a majority of the time. That simply won't work for sales.

edit: I took the time to rewrite the last two paragraphs which were difficult to comprehend.
 
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@PCM2

It looks like the Acer x27, which uses nVidia's latest G-SYNC HDR controller, does engage the FALD backlight at all times, even when displaying SDR content:

12. FALD in SDR. Even though the monitor allows you to turn it off; don't. The combination of IPS and direct FALD without local dimming control leads to extreme BLB and IPS glow.
13. Contrast ratio greatly improved by the FALD.
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Yes, thankfully things have been implemented like that and my assumptions above were incorrect. I believe the ASUS will also offer this, called 'Local Dimming' (or 'Dynamically Local Dimming') which can be activated under SDR, same as the PA32UC.
 
PCM2 said:
Yes, thankfully things have been implemented like that and my assumptions above were incorrect. I believe the ASUS will also offer this, called 'Local Dimming' (or 'Dynamically Local Dimming') which can be activated under SDR, same as the PA32UC.
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I think it's safe to assume all FALD monitors using nVidia's G-sync HDR controller will do this correctly. That includes Asus' monitor which uses the same panel as Acer's x27.

For these monitors, FALD under SDR is activated by default, so there is no need to activate it. You must explicitly deactivate it to get rid of it.

I still would not say that your assumptions were incorrect however. I still expect some FALD FreeSync monitors to screw up a do exactly what you said.
 
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