Acid attacks

mistersprinkles said:
As much as I disagree with the gun culture in the United States, there's something to be said for thinking twice before you commit a crime because the victim might have an anti-aircraft gun for home defence. There is a recording on youtube of a senior man in Texas who calls 911 when he sees two teens robbing his next door neighbour. The police don't come fast enough so the man takes his shotgun and guns down the teens, then calmly gets back on the phone and tells the 911 operator that there is no longer any hurry for the police to get there, as the robbers are stone dead and not about to run away.

As far as the acid goes, I have a friend who is from Bangladesh and he was attacked with acid when he was a teenager. Thankfully they missed his face and got part of his chest and his arm. The scar is grotesque.
These people need some old school "string him up in the village square and give everyone a billy club" treatment.

That's totally how it would be if I ran my own country, by the way. Rapist? Murderer? Other heinous crime? You're getting hung by your feet a meter off the ground in the town square and everyone gets a weapon. If you survive for sixty minutes you have the privilege of spending the rest of your life in jail. Otherwise, too bad for you.

There's also eye for an eye as an option. Say you rape somebody? You will get raped with a meter long 12cm diameter ***** relentlessly for 24 hours. Then you go to jail.

I'd call this country "Dont****aroundistan"
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Bring back stocks,a bit of public shaming would do wonders, with today's image obsessed generation. An afternoon in the town Square for all to see and film for tube would stop a lot of the little ***'s
 
And what probably will happen, is a few years in a young offenders prison, followed by another few years in an adult prison, and back on the streets by the time they are 30.The victims of these acts have to live with the consequences for their whole lives. :(
As we can't execute these scum, then at least send them to prison for a whole life term.
 
Caged said:
Would having a valid reason to be out (in your eyes) change the facts of the incident?
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Do you not think that maybe - just maybe - the time and location played a part in the officers decision to do that speed? Do you think he would have done 90 past a school at 3pm in may?

An industrial/commercial estate, near midnight, during school term time. Where it is there really shouldn't be anyone about, never mind drunk children.
 
The IPCC report repeatedly states where the collision happened and characterises it as a residential area. I guess it must be wrong.
 
Caged said:
The IPCC report repeatedly states where the collision happened and characterises it as a residential area. I guess it must be wrong.
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You're selectively reading it.

"It is a fairly wide road governed by a 30 mph speed limit. The stretch of road referred to within this investigation starts in a primarily non-residential area bordered by fields and commercial premises at the Scotswood Road end. Denton Road travels uphill with a number of roads, both residential and non-residential, joining Denton Road from the right hand side. One of these roads is Armstrong Road and further up on the right, Denton Road is joined by Dorset Road. It is at this point that Denton Road enters a residential area with both sides of the road bordered by houses."

The accident happened prior to it entering this residential area.

When the accident happened a number of the roads you're looking at weren't there. It occurred between Armstrong and Dorset.

Look at the direction they were going (the group of kids) - there's nothing there. It's car showrooms and a few other commercial/industrial properties. Really not somewhere you would expect kids to be at night.
 
I'm not selectively reading it. Here's a photo of the scene:

http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/north-east-news/local-backlash-after-police-car-4505287

There's some houses there on the left, a bus stop on the right. It's a residential area, the officer was in the wrong and he was sentenced because of it.

I can see that sometimes it might feel like the police can't do anything right but you're so far off on this one. You continue to believe that the age or family background of the victim is in any way relevant when it just isn't. The relevant facts are that an officer was doing 90 in a 30, there was no emergency being responded to, he didn't use blue lights or a siren, and he killed somebody as a result. You think a prison term was too harsh, I don't agree.

Here's the case in Islington involving somebody killed while being pursued on a scooter, the officers were cleared and I agree with the decision:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41697985
https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defau...enry Hicks - Final report for publication.pdf
 
TheVoice said:
You can't fathom why bringing a car with 4 wheels, seatbelts, safety features and a large cage of metal around the occupants is safer than knocking someone off a bike?
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No, can't fathom out why a moped rider should be denied a pursuit when avoiding arrest or questioning just because they choose to remove their helmets and make themselves more in peril. Their choice, stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat, if they die attempting resisting arrest or questioning it won't cause me a minutes loss of sleep. It's an ideal vehicle for the police to ram and not do too much damage to a car, repairs of which are of course tax payer funded..
 
Acid attacks are disgusting! Anyone found guilty should be punished severely. A strong deterrence would put off many from committing such an act. Such a messy world we live in. Sad. :(
 
Dis86 said:
It happened at the point further down (before the academy was there). It really isn't a place you'd expect kids to be at that time of night during school term.
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I think you'd picked a very bad example.

Travelling at that speed the car probably would not have been visible when looking to check the road before crossing. Irrespective of being a chav child and slightly drunk, anyone would have been at high risk of being hit. The time it takes to check both direction and cross a road could be from 10 - 20 seconds (more if it was a parent and child, or older person) and in that time a card travelling 87 mph would have travelled 390 - 780 metres. That's well out of visual range on that road. And at least in this country the only reason to you need to cross a road like that is you want to be on the other side.

There is a good reason why we have a 30 mph speed limit.

As for moped drivers evading police, I'd just give police powers to run the ***** down if they don't stop.
 
kully1972 said:
We need a real life Charles Bronson to sort these ***** out as the current laws are clearly not working and such acid attacks are on par with first degree murder.
Next time I go to South or East London I'll be carrying a litre of water.
In India historically acid attacks have been used on women who spurn men's advances. It's more prevalent in Hindu and Muslim culture so most likely such cultures have brought this thinking from overseas to our doorstep. Today's thugs have unfortunately followed suit to mainly rob and steal.
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the muslim/asian started in 60s.. not now.. if we had 'brought them' then we would be doing it back then.. stop fobbing it as an asian excuse - the moped gang stealing culture is also asian i bet? stabbing is also an asian culture isnt it? Get a grip on your xenophobia.
 
Caged said:
I'm not selectively reading it. Here's a photo of the scene:

http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/north-east-news/local-backlash-after-police-car-4505287

There's some houses there on the left, a bus stop on the right. It's a residential area, the officer was in the wrong and he was sentenced because of it.
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Like I said, it's not in the residential area. Have a look to the left of the road on the map. Bar a single row of houses there is nothing there. There was no reason at night for kids to be there, it's just not something one would expect. Yes the officer made the wrong call, but he made that call based upon logical assumptions - like I already said - late at night, term time, road leading to industrial/commercial area.

Sadly drunk teenagers don't factor in to logic. It's also worth paying attention to the report for another point - the independent witnesses all corroborated one thing which her 'friends' failed to mention; the fact that she had a fight with her bf and stormed off without looking at what she was doing. It's not that she couldn't see/hear the car (remember the lies they told about it not having any lights on which were disproved by both the independent witnesses and science?) she just simply did not look. He could have been doing 30 and she still would have stepped out although more than likely would have survived.

And no, he wasn't responding to an emergency but he was responding to a high priority target. Catching those type of people normally prevents an emergency in the future which lowers the chance of innocents being hurt.
 
Chris Wilson said:
No, can't fathom out why a moped rider should be denied a pursuit when avoiding arrest or questioning just because they choose to remove their helmets and make themselves more in peril.
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Risk. A pursuit of a car can and will be cancelled if it's too risky for the officers, the public or the occupants of the vehicle being pursued, a pursuit of a moped rider without any kind of protection between themselves and the ground is simply too dangerous, especially when police drivers can face criminal proceedings should the rider be injured or killed. The police are always held to account for anything that happens during a pursuit because they're deemed to be in control of it.
 
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