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McBain said:
Can't disagree with the inconsistency, it's BS, but i'd rather that than everyone being given a suspended 12 month sentence. Should be the other way round, Berriman should've got 6 years.

As for Graham Rix, totally different profile of player there, plus he had long finished his career before getting done so wasn't particularly in the public eye so to speak. I doubt any club that Johnson would consider playing for would want to commit media suicide by taking him on, look at Ched Evans.
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Well playing for Sunderland, Adam Johnson was hardly at the top of his career :p

Yeah it's just silly that we have a legal precedent where people went much further with a minor and got away with a sentence 1/6 of his. That or you know if it's a woman committing the offense then it's all gravy, just have a suspended sentence. Argued that she had a kid to look after but technically so does he including one more on the way.

In fact I'm pretty sure legal precedent is what's going to be used here as I imagine he will be placing an appeal so his legal team will do their best to reduce that. That may be the reason why it's so high as prosecution knows that his solicitor will be able to substantially reduce the sentence during the appeal process.
 
6 years jail time is a joke! he didn't even have sex with her

What about that female teacher that slept with a load of her pupils and only got was it like 250hours community service!
 
6 years is waaaaaaaaaay ott. People who have done much worse have been given less. You get less for running over someone and killing them while drunk.
 
thecremeegg said:
As I said earlier, it's a complete joke - 6 years is so OTT that you can't help feeling that something's amiss.
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As I understand it the offence had the following.
Aggravating factors:
The position of trust of the defendant.
The age of the victim (barely 15)
The methods used by the defendant.
The fact the defendant did research on the AOC then continued with the activity (so knew very definitely that what he was doing was illegal).
The fact the defendant did it over a prolonged period of time.
The fact the defendant tried to hide what he was doing and to make sure there was as little evidence as possible.
The fact the defendant did not show remorse.
The fact the defendant did not plead not guilty until the very last minute, meaning the victim had to go through the court process.

Mitigating factors:
Nothing.

Basically he knew exactly what he was doing, he knew what the law was, and he did it over a prolonged period of time with attempts to cover his tracks.

It's pretty much ticked all the boxes for such a crime's aggravating factors that don't include physical coercion.

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Those aggravating factors are the ones I've picked up on from listening to the news, there is probably a lot more that haven't been reported or I've missed, but they are all things that I'm aware of that would likely make the Judge look at additional time from the starting point of the sentence.
 
Locky said:
6 years is waaaaaaaaaay ott. People who have done much worse have been given less. You get less for running over someone and killing them while drunk.
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As someone said on the forums, if you're going to kill someone then do it in a car. Here's an example, killed a bike passenger and seriously injured the rider too, suspended sentence and 5 months of curfew. She was stone cold sober but I just followed the case because I used to live around where the accident happened and I can't for the life of me figure out how she managed not to see a bike (going the legal speed limit) with 2 people on it coming towards her on a clear Sunday day.

Her driving ban was also 12 months which is less than you can get for "drink driving" if you get caught hungover on following morning with certain breath test levels
 
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Werewolf said:
As I understand it the offence had the following.
Aggravating factors:
The position of trust of the defendant.
The age of the victim (barely 15)
The methods used by the defendant.
The fact the defendant did research on the AOC then continued with the activity (so knew very definitely that what he was doing was illegal).
The fact the defendant did it over a prolonged period of time.
The fact the defendant tried to hide what he was doing and to make sure there was as little evidence as possible.
The fact the defendant did not show remorse.
The fact the defendant did not plead not guilty until the very last minute, meaning the victim had to go through the court process.

Mitigating factors:
Nothing.

Basically he knew exactly what he was doing, he knew what the law was, and he did it over a prolonged period of time with attempts to cover his tracks.

It's pretty much ticked all the boxes for such a crime's aggravating factors that don't include physical coercion.

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Those aggravating factors are the ones I've picked up on from listening to the news, there is probably a lot more that haven't been reported or I've missed, but they are all things that I'm aware of that would likely make the Judge look at additional time from the starting point of the sentence.
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Spot on. He deserved the 6 years.
 
Werewolf said:
As I understand it the offence had the following.
Aggravating factors:
The position of trust of the defendant.
The age of the victim (barely 15)
The methods used by the defendant.
The fact the defendant did research on the AOC then continued with the activity (so knew very definitely that what he was doing was illegal).
The fact the defendant did it over a prolonged period of time.
The fact the defendant tried to hide what he was doing and to make sure there was as little evidence as possible.
The fact the defendant did not show remorse.
The fact the defendant did not plead not guilty until the very last minute, meaning the victim had to go through the court process.

Mitigating factors:
Nothing.

Basically he knew exactly what he was doing, he knew what the law was, and he did it over a prolonged period of time with attempts to cover his tracks.

It's pretty much ticked all the boxes for such a crime's aggravating factors that don't include physical coercion.

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Those aggravating factors are the ones I've picked up on from listening to the news, there is probably a lot more that haven't been reported or I've missed, but they are all things that I'm aware of that would likely make the Judge look at additional time from the starting point of the sentence.
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True, however this is the case for a lot of similar cases - they all try and cover tracks and the continue the relationship over a long period of time.
In fact the girl was seemingly well aware of what she was doing - now she apparently "can't sleep" etc. Seems to me that he's been made an example of for no real obvious reason.
 
crazy sentence IMO

but then the fact that he was stupid enough to do this is crazy too

our whole justice system needs a good looking at. if your going to give one man six years you need to give others in similar cases the same . not just in this kind of crime either !

like someone above said a drunk driver could ruin your whole families lives and get less jail time
 
Did he even have sex with this 15 year old? What exactly did he do? Sorry, I don't follow the news much, but, did catch the sentencing yesterday.

He hasn't done himself any favours though by the way he's gone about it.
 
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6 years and he didn't even have sex with that girl ...:eek:

My sister daughter had her baby when she was only 15 and not happened at all to the father...
Loads of girls are having sex at 15 now days
 
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He basically pressured her for a kiss, BJ and I believe "digitally penetrated" her after months of grooming her including giving her a shirt in preparation.
It happened just after she turned 15 and he knew her age.


Andy, a drunk driver would not have planned for months on having the accident, what happened in this case was pretty much the definition of premeditated and planned.
The Justice system will always take something that was planned with the person knowing exactly what they were doing far more seriously than a potential momentary mistake.
 
Werewolf said:
He basically pressured her for a kiss, BJ and I believe "digitally penetrated" her after months of grooming her including giving her a shirt in preparation.
It happened just after she turned 15 and he knew her age..
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The problem am getting at is Just because he well known he gets 6 years for it...

But If it just a normal everyday nobody that has sex or try's to have sex with a under age 15 year old girl nothing happens
 
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chaparral said:
The problem am getting at is Just because he well known he gets 6 years for it...

But If it just a normal everyday nobody that has sex or try's to have sex with a 15 year old girl nothing happens...
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:confused:, errr totally, if you ignore all the evidence that showed that this was not just because he was famous.

What a ludicrous argument.

As WereWolf said;

  • The position of trust of the defendant
  • The age of the victim (barely 15)
  • The methods used by the defendant (text book grooming/manipulation)
  • The fact the defendant did research on the age of consent then continued with the activity (so knew very definitely that what he was doing was illegal)
  • The fact the defendant did it over a prolonged period of time
  • The fact the defendant tried to hide what he was doing and to make sure there was as little evidence as possible
  • The fact the defendant did not show remorse
  • The fact the defendant did not plead not guilty until the very last minute, meaning the victim had to go through the court process
  • The fact the defendant initially lied to the Police

I mean, if you ignore why the sentence was handed out, and select your own narrative then sure.
 
Werewolf said:
Andy, a drunk driver would not have planned for months on having the accident, what happened in this case was pretty much the definition of premeditated and planned.
The Justice system will always take something that was planned with the person knowing exactly what they were doing far more seriously than a potential momentary mistake.
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Obviously not planned months in advance, but I would say that if you're drinking and then get behind the wheel that is premeditation.
 
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