Adult content - Age Verification system - April 2018

Energize said:
This is going to be highly damaging to the UK economy. All the business is going to go from the UK websites to foreign ones as no one is going to enter their card details just to get on the home page.
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“Highly damaging”? Just how much value do you think there is tied up in the uk porn industry? I think you’re seriously overestimating that end of things.
 
Energize said:
Estimates from a few years ago say £1 billion, is that enough for you?
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£1 billion for what exactly? Got a link?

Even then, uk gdp is about £2.6tn. I’d hardly say that a reduction or even outright loss of business worth £1bn is “highly damaging”. That’s like 0.04%, so we can quite safely round that off to naff all.
 
If someone hacked the age verification records would you be upset if your name was on it? I know it’s not discussed in polite company but most men look at porn, especially if they are single.
 
Vonhelmet said:
£1 billion for what exactly? Got a link?

Even then, uk gdp is about £2.6tn. I’d hardly say that a reduction or even outright loss of business worth £1bn is “highly damaging”. That’s like 0.04%, so we can quite safely round that off to naff all.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4305257.stm

Considering what you can do with 1 billion I would say it's highly damaging, even more so when you consider the job losses would also lead to an increase in the cost of benefits.

How much damage do you think we should impose on ourselves in the current economic climate? 1%? 5%?
 
Energize said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4305257.stm

Considering what you can do with 1 billion I would say it's highly damaging, even more so when you consider the job losses would also lead to an increase in the cost of benefits.

How much damage do you think we should impose on ourselves in the current economic climate? 1%? 5%?
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If you think 0.04% constitutes high damage then I really think you lack perspective. Yes, people might lose jobs, but not very many at all in the grand scheme of things, not a number that I would quantify as high.
 
Eh. I just don't care. People who want porn will just use Usenet to download as many images / videos as they like for free (well minus the cost of the subscription to a Usenet provider which is about £10 per month).

What worries me more is that I will likely have to provide official ID when I buy e-liquid to vape.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Mainstream Hollywood films don’t originate in this country, but no one is fretting about mainstream Hollywood actors not paying uk tax on their films being watched in the uk...
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Are you sure no one is fretting? Because the one and only core mantra of any and all form of governance is to seize all money and all power. So yes, there is constant fretting going on.

Also UK government does benefit, because you're forgetting about cinemas; and cinemas pay tax as well as collect EXTRA VAT from the customer, so the HMRC does certainly benefit from hollywood blockbusters.

Even on Blu-Ray and DVD sales, the Government automatically gets 20% of ALL movie sales lol.

But when uncle bob is tugging his snake while surfing a porn site, he is having shedloads of fun and government gets NOTHING. Governments don't like people having fun and not getting a cut of their money. It's why marriage was invented and established, and it's why drugs are illegal.

Just look at why drugs are illegal, especially cannabis. If the entire world population was stoned, the entire world would be constantly enjoying themselves and having fun, be at peace with everything, laugh at the notion of fighting for "their country", no wars, total peace and harmony. But no government will benefit from that will it. ;)

Cinema ticket prices have been inflated by up to 80% in the past 2 decades. There are exponentially more pointless, utterly horrendous and straight up mind control propaganda movies being made than at any point in all history of entertainment, so that is another benefit to governments.
 
asim18 said:
mind control propaganda
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I wonder if this will eventually morph into some sort of requirement for ID verification, some big tech companies would love that, if there were some way of not just forcing the verification of age but also the ID of users
 
Vargas said:
Make your own.
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There is mind control propaganda against that too. U know those massive awareness campaigns about women ending up as "revenge porn", so yeah women are being told that if anyone ever sees their naked body it's the worst thing imaginable (even though everyone has it) and then they start suffering from anxiety issues for silly things like if they've ever sent a nude to an ex bf.
 
Use a VPN, its completely pointless, there is always going to be someone that finds a way around these things
 
asim18 said:
Are you sure no one is fretting? Because the one and only core mantra of any and all form of governance is to seize all money and all power. So yes, there is constant fretting going on.
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Ok, so far that’s dramatic but not too outlandish...

asim18 said:
Also UK government does benefit, because you're forgetting about cinemas; and cinemas pay tax as well as collect EXTRA VAT from the customer, so the HMRC does certainly benefit from hollywood blockbusters.
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I’m not forgetting anything, but you’re drawing spurious comparisons. If you’re going to talk about cinemas paying tax, then the comparison when dealing with internet porn is the ISP and telephone networks who are delivering the content. They all pay tax. Additionally, internet services, like paying for porn online, are subject to vat. The government don’t get to tax Hollywood film stars, so why are you coming out saying they want to suddenly tax porn stars, given that your opening gambit was that they don’t pay tax... even though they probably do wherever they are liable to tax.

asim18 said:
Even on Blu-Ray and DVD sales, the Government automatically gets 20% of ALL movie sales lol.
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Ditto “adult” dvds and as said internet website payments, memberships or whatever.

asim18 said:
But when uncle bob is tugging his snake while surfing a porn site, he is having shedloads of fun and government gets NOTHING. Governments don't like people having fun and not getting a cut of their money. It's why marriage was invented and established, and it's why drugs are illegal.
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Ok, so you go a bit mental at the end, but we’ll ignore that. Anyway. I don’t know about you, but I’m given to believe a lot of people watch porn online without paying for it. If people aren’t paying then there’s not really anything to be taxed.

asim18 said:
Just look at why drugs are illegal, especially cannabis. If the entire world population was stoned, the entire world would be constantly enjoying themselves and having fun, be at peace with everything, laugh at the notion of fighting for "their country", no wars, total peace and harmony. But no government will benefit from that will it. ;)

Cinema ticket prices have been inflated by up to 80% in the past 2 decades. There are exponentially more pointless, utterly horrendous and straight up mind control propaganda movies being made than at any point in all history of entertainment, so that is another benefit to governments.
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I’m going to ignore this mental nonsense at the end, otherwise you’ll start arguing these points when I’d rather get to the bottom of why you think the government wants to do this out of a desire to tax things rather than the far more obvious and rational explanation that the government are authoritarian and puritanical and don’t understand the internet.
 
oh jeeze, I'd forgotten about that poster and his obsession with "mind control" stuff that gets brought into every thread, I've got him on ignore so I'm not sure how I'm able to see those quoted posts @Vonhelmet (have you done something weird when quoting him?) - (don't worry he's got me on ignore too so this won't derail - but I'm asking because there might be a technical issue here with the forum software otherwise).
 
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