Advice Wife being kicked out of uni

mattyg · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:20

wesley said:
its not about snitching. its about protecting children!!! big different

I mentioned snitching in response to another poster saying they shouldn't Snitch.

Because were 11 yrs old in the school playground

muon · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:21

Cocaine is also a Class A drug. The law matters in these cases just as much as subjective judgement.

mattyg · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:23

holymonk said:
Your wife training as a social worker, yet doesn't recognise what safeguarding entails is not a good start.

Training....As in NOT qualified. They have to learn this stuff along the way.
yes, if shes on placement it will be her final year. But I'd bet that this situation isn't specifically mentioned in the training.

If it were, I;m sure the other student would have kept Sctumm

monkeyspank · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:26

did this person say she was on coke while caring for kids or just that she had at some point had some coke?

muon · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:27

I think the key is that the OPs wife refused to give the name without the threat of being kicked out.

What is there to learn? You are protecting someone who is potentially unsuitable for the career.

monkeyspank said:
did this person say she was on coke while caring for kids or just that she had at some point had some coke?

I'm sure the university will try to find out now that they have a name.

monkeyspank · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:27

Everyone is potentially unsuitable

mattyg · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:27

robgmun said:
No drugs is OK, but some people attitudes here think they shouldn't have reported the other girl. You could argue that case if it was a a bit of weed as it's entirely different level, but Coke?

**** off!!!!

monkeyspank said:
did this person say she was on coke while caring for kids or just that she had at some point had some coke?

My Mrs is still out but I'm sure they have to sign a declaration that they don't/won't do any illegal substances.

Or going further anything illegal that can bring the profession into disrepute

EDIT:

Clause 2.3 Professional Integrity of BASW’s Code of Ethics states:

Principles

1. Upholding the values and reputation of the profession

Social workers should act at all times in accordance with the values and principles of the profession and ensure that their behaviour does not bring the profession into disrepute.

At all times

Haggisman · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:40

muon said:
I think the key is that the OPs wife refused to give the name without the threat of being kicked out.

The OP doesn't actually say that though.

It could be as simple and innocent as the OP's wife going to her mentor and saying something like "One of the other girls/guys told me they're taking coke, and I don't really know what to do?" The mentor then goes to the tutor/Uni to find out the correct procedure, and the Uni goes to the wife, all guns blazing, and says "tell us who or we'll kick you out!"

MrMoonX · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:45

mattyg said:
It's not the HCPC anymore for students it's the GSCC. HCPC don't register students anymore.

But still the best post by far

Gscc doesn't exist anymore the responsibility lies with universities to monitor students in line with the HCPC and TCSW standards.

She's a third year student she's had 200 days of placement by the end and would know by now what is safeguarding, no excuses for any delay in reporting concerns

Hitman_Leon · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:47

I don't have much to add as everything seems to have been covered very well. The lesson here for your wife is in the work place divided loyalties causing apprehension or delays in reporting behavior of colleagues that may affect their work and cause risk to others has to be overcome. There are no allowances you could make for even the closest friend if the safety of clients may be at risk due to their behavior.

wnb · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:47

Xordium said:
Ok well that is very very different. You have had no official warning. You've got someone who has a bee in their bonnet and is likely not following due process themselves and is probably way off protocol.

So calm down a bit. Stop thinking about solicitors and start thinking about how your wife can present this as a learning experience of what she has gained from the situation that will make here a better social worker rather than an outright defence. If you go in all guns blazing chances are they will reciprocate.

I've been on the other side of this and by and large you don't want students to go you want them to learn from mistakes. Be open and honest is what I would advise your wife. Don't belittle what has happened. Explain she panicked, explain she was frightened, and most of all explain what she has learned. From that I sure you will have the outcome you want and she deserves.

And like I said in the other post. One thing I did learn in health and social care is you don't have friends at work and you keep things to pleasantries only. Keep the two worlds apart as it is better for you if the emotional baggage doesn't come home. There is nothing wrong with keeping your head down, staying professional with workers, and being a bit aloof. It prevents all this kind of rubbish.

I do go guns blazing and can be very defensive and my wife is the opposite which is good as she has the ability to calm me down

I'll take on board what you and others have said and I'll ignore what some people have posted

Uther · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:50

So what would happen if the other student completely denied the allegation and there was no proof that they did coke?

Efour · 14 Feb 2015 at 12:53

Find a letter box and start posting your morning stool through it.

Pestilence · 14 Feb 2015 at 13:03

Nobody likes a gossip.

Manbatius · 14 Feb 2015 at 13:04

If she gets kicked out she can likely appeal the decision.

For this the students union will know the correct procedure and help with the appeal.
Depends on the uni but most appeals go direct to the uni registrar.

dirtychinchilla · 14 Feb 2015 at 13:15

ci_newman said:
The course entails working with children. This type of role requires a CRB (or the current equivalant) and a past habit of using a class-A drug would almost certainly deny that being granted.

The issue here is that your wife reported the other student to her mentor rather than the Uni which reflects badly on the Uni and future placements

How did you take from that that it was habitual?

It may surprise everyone to know that recreational drug use may not impact your work at all

That whole situation seems pretty weird, though. It sounds to me like you have a strong case against the uni; students can't realistically be expected to be policemen as well as students.

wildman · 14 Feb 2015 at 13:24

Salsa said:
Must be more to this story.. I find it hard to believe that a University would have any grounds to kick someone out for either alleged drug taking or not grassing up their fellow students for alleged drug taking. Heck if they could do that then they may as well kick out ALL students.

Also I don't gegy the significance of the random political reference other than to prove your wife is a bit stupid to try and insult (poorly) someone who could potentially help her.

/Salsa

This. The only Uni courses that you get instant boot off if you are taking drugs and get caught are Pharmacy, Biomedical Science and any other subject where your lab sessions involve you handling controlled substances. At least that is what used to happen when I was at Bradford Uni back in the 90's. Not sure if thats chnaged now

mattyg · 14 Feb 2015 at 14:12

MrMoonX said:
Gscc doesn't exist anymore the responsibility lies with universities to monitor students in line with the HCPC and TCSW standards.

She's a third year student she's had 200 days of placement by the end and would know by now what is safeguarding, no excuses for any delay in reporting concerns

They've changed it AGAIN?

Xordium · 14 Feb 2015 at 14:27

Uther said:
So what would happen if the other student completely denied the allegation and there was no proof that they did coke?

There would be a more extensive examination with whole year groups being leaned upon in relation to what they know. It only needs a single member of that cohort to confirm the suspicions and the student has added a whole load of other disciplinary things into the equation. Wouldn't be the smartest of moves tbh. Each student knowing if it were later found out they knew then they would be in a worse position than the OP's wife.

wnb said:
I do go guns blazing and can be very defensive and my wife is the opposite which is good as she has the ability to calm me down I'll take on board what you and others have said and I'll ignore what some people have posted

You need to be aware the these sort of things carry a momentum. Someone with a bee in their bonnet will carry it on forth whereas others will let it defuse. Given time it will defuse and therefore you don't want to draw any more attention to it than necessary. You are relying on people being fair-handed - the more parties you involve the more protocol will be followed to the letter and I think you know full well what protocol may say in this case.

MrMoonX said:
Gscc doesn't exist anymore the responsibility lies with universities to monitor students in line with the HCPC and TCSW standards

Cheers for the clarification I thought that was the case - university control with the expectation of knowledge and application of professional guidelines.

Uther · 14 Feb 2015 at 14:46

Xordium said:
There would be a more extensive examination with whole year groups being leaned upon in relation to what they know. It only needs a single member of that cohort to confirm the suspicions and the student has added a whole load of other disciplinary things into the equation. Wouldn't be the smartest of moves tbh. Each student knowing if it were later found out they knew then they would be in a worse position than the OP's wife.

So in effect, if a couple of people wanted to get someone kicked off a course it would be a fairly simple matter for one to make the accusation, and the other one to back it up?