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AfD MP hospitalised. Attempted murder.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by h4rm0ny, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. Caracus2k

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    It could be neo nazi's who don't think the afd is going far enough or a false flag
     
  2. wildman

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    or Trump sending a message about NATO funding, but he got confused ?
     
  3. Raz

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    Using two hands while doing one thing makes things easier.

    Yes, the rise of AfD is a result of bad policies and the apparent ignoring of key issues/concerns by the ruling parties.

    The problem is that although there is a positive element (which you mentioned) many far-right views tend to fester in the background, and all you need is a charismatic leader that puts the people and nationalism first for it to spiral out of control. I wouldn't, for example, say that being anti-immigration is the same as being racist, but I would imagine that many people in that camp could be swayed to hold some form of racist views, however extreme.

    Your point about rising anti-Semitism as a result of rising Muslim immigration is valid but runs the risk of ignoring anti-Semitism in by other communities. Forgetting for a moment the treatment the Jews, and other minorities, received in Germany before and during WW2, the Jews have been a persecuted group throughout their history. The same issues come up over and over again and people look to put the blame on every one else. For politicians that usually means minority groups are the source of the nation's problems.
     
  4. XeNoN89

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    The hard left like using violence against those who don't conform to their opinions.
     
  5. mmj_uk

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    The big difference about this over a left wing pro-EU trough drinking politican being attacked is that the corporate media and political class won't spend weeks/months banging on about how evil the extremists (masked Antifa thugs etc) on the left are. The EU and liberal establishment would be quite happy for all right wing politicans to live in fear even those who aren't particularly extreme but just disagree with EU hardline dogma/policy.

    Every time there is supposed to be a 'white supremacist' rally about 100 people turn up because the 'threat' from the far right is blown all out of proportion by the corporate media to justify the lefts rather extreme actions such as censorship and violent groups (Antifa).
     
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  6. B@Th*nG

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    i assume you said the same when jo cox was murdered? Violent right etc..? no, you're just banging your drum

    i didn't - it's called perspective

    B@
     
  7. Lord-Jaffa

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    Lol, you're adorable in your outrage.
     
  8. Mr Jack

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    While we should of course wait for confirmation as to who the culprits are, this currently seems to be a natural extension of the "keep punching Nazis" meme popular across a large swathe of the Left who should frankly know better.
     
  9. 200sols

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    Yes, because my views are not extreme to either side.
     
  10. B@Th*nG

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    You didn't comment in the Jo Cox thread.

    B@
     
  11. 200sols

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    I wasn’t even a member on the forum when it happened, but that still doesn’t change my view on it does it? ;)
     
  12. Dis86

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    Lol best comeback ever
     
  13. StriderX

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    I like that people are jumping on the "I KNOW WHO THE MASKED ATTACKERS ARE" wagon before even the police have identified them, it's really cool and really good.

    I blame the Russians for that too, it was obviously a snide remark (on the discourse here, not the poorly man) when obviously people were going to come in already somehow knowing who attacked him, so the low bar was set before i even posted that. Maybe others might think to raise that bar?

    It's obviously despicable, but i'm also sort of tired of discussing something when it's pre-derailed by the same people with clear unmitigated biases that just post without question. It was very quickly obvious what had happened politically with JC's murder, in stark comparison to this event. But whatever this is GD and i wont waste my time.
     
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  14. B@Th*nG

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    lol fair enough

    B@
     
  15. stockhausen

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    Says it all.
     
  16. wildman

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    everyone on both sides in here showing so much faux outrage over something no one really gives a crap about unless they can use it for some confirmation bias. We have got way bigger issues in this country (not Brexit) that need closer scrutiny moreso than some no name german politician who until the last day no one on here even knew existed.
     
  17. nitram100

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    Blame brexit
     
  18. redeye

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    Of course any sort of violence towards any elected official is unacceptable, however i'm not remotely surprised it happened.

    AfD came into being from it's power base in Eastern Germany, many of it's founders and original supporters are self professed Nazi's. Not just far right by UK standards but proper, Germany for white people bring back the fatherland types. They started to get more and more traction in local elections purely on their anti-immigration stance. Many cities in the East have had years of protests by Right Wing parties, in particular Leipzig and Dresden. The early protests amounted to a few thousand but they were quickly out-numbered by counter protests. It often got violent. In Leipzig there is a massive Left Wing community who are full on socialists who do not accept capitalism and believe there should be open borders to all etc etc. The two got together and riots ensued.

    This was a few years ago and now there are hardly any protests.

    Many of the people who vote for them, are in areas that have little to no immigration or those areas felt left behind and not having the same financial success of the rest of the country (sound familar?). Saxony is something like 95% white, the rest is of Turkish ancestry with some Vietnamese, Chinese. I would say there is 1% of African / Caribbean / Middle East descent. When you have far right parties pushing extreme views, pushing protests in full on left wing neighbourhoods something will give.

    This gets little coverage in UK press but there are serious problems in East Germany with these two groups. Of course the majority of people are fairly left of centre of their political opinions as most Germany are and most have little problem with the immigration that was seen, and accept Germany's place in Europe and what it's responsibilities are.

    AfD does have support in the rest of Germany now but it's low double digit percentage. Hopefully they will fade away and more centrist forces come back into play.
     
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  19. Mr Jack

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    The Bremen prosecutor is ruling out a political motive for the attack, believing it to be likely a robbery (link in German, sorry).

    I guess those of us who assumed too much too soon have egg on our faces.
     
  20. StriderX

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    Sudden desire for celebration cake and prosecco has hit me, regardless if it really was just a mugging, it's unfortunate for the man and hopefully he recovers, but not really relevant to this country at all. Unless people want to start RSS threads for literally every crime committed anywhere?