Ahmaud Arbery killing trial

[Colonel_Klinck]

What actions did he take to contribute?

Here are the charges

COUNT 1

Malice murder
This crime is defined in Georgia law as causing a person’s death with deliberate intention, without considerable provocation, and “where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.” It is punishable by death, or by life imprisonment with or without possibility of parole.

COUNTS 2, 3, 4 AND 5

Felony murder
This charge applies when a death is caused in the course of committing another felony, “irrespective of malice” — in other words, whether or not the killing was intentional and unprovoked.

defines this crime is as an assault using a deadly weapon. This count charges the three men with attacking Mr. Arbery with a 12-gauge shotgun. It is punishable by imprisonment of one to 20 years.

COUNT 7

Aggravated assault
Another way Georgia law defines this crime is as an assault using “any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury.” This count charges the defendants with using two pickup trucks to assault Mr. Arbery. It is punishable by imprisonment of one to 20 years.

COUNT 8

False imprisonment
This charge applies when a person without legal authority “arrests, confines, or detains” another person “in violation of the personal liberty” of that person. Specifically, the defendants are charged with using their pickup trucks to chase, confine and detain Mr. Arbery “without legal authority.”

False imprisonment is punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

COUNT 9

Criminal attempt to commit a felony
Georgia law defines criminal attempt as performing “any act which constitutes a substantial step” toward the intentional commission of a crime — in this case, the false imprisonment charged in Count 8. A defendant can be convicted either of completing a particular crime or of attempting it, but not both.

Because false imprisonment is a felony, attempting it is also a felony, punishable by half the attempted crime’s maximum sentence: in this case, one to five years in prison.

 

[Dis86]

Here are the charges

COUNT 1

Malice murder
This crime is defined in Georgia law as causing a person’s death with deliberate intention, without considerable provocation, and “where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.” It is punishable by death, or by life imprisonment with or without possibility of parole.

COUNTS 2, 3, 4 AND 5

Felony murder
This charge applies when a death is caused in the course of committing another felony, “irrespective of malice” — in other words, whether or not the killing was intentional and unprovoked.

defines this crime is as an assault using a deadly weapon. This count charges the three men with attacking Mr. Arbery with a 12-gauge shotgun. It is punishable by imprisonment of one to 20 years.

COUNT 7

Aggravated assault
Another way Georgia law defines this crime is as an assault using “any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury.” This count charges the defendants with using two pickup trucks to assault Mr. Arbery. It is punishable by imprisonment of one to 20 years.

COUNT 8

False imprisonment
This charge applies when a person without legal authority “arrests, confines, or detains” another person “in violation of the personal liberty” of that person. Specifically, the defendants are charged with using their pickup trucks to chase, confine and detain Mr. Arbery “without legal authority.”

False imprisonment is punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

COUNT 9

Criminal attempt to commit a felony
Georgia law defines criminal attempt as performing “any act which constitutes a substantial step” toward the intentional commission of a crime — in this case, the false imprisonment charged in Count 8. A defendant can be convicted either of completing a particular crime or of attempting it, but not both.

Because false imprisonment is a felony, attempting it is also a felony, punishable by half the attempted crime’s maximum sentence: in this case, one to five years in prison.

You seem to have failed at reading what I've written. What actions did he take. Not what is he charged with.

 

[The Running Man]

First, the men that killed him could not possibly know any of that, so it's utterly -ing irrelevant. Simple victim blaming.

Two, "weapons charge"? That covers a raft of things. And I'll guess the version here is: "Black with a gun". Without knowing a lot more, it's still irrelevant.

Three, how is the dead man nearly being tazed because a police officer tried to carry out a most-likely illegal search and he objected, a defence for the killers? Again, strike for being irrelevant.

His parents surely knew about his conviction and it is they who described him as such.

The narrative that he was a nice generous boy out running is questionable based on his prior legal record.

I didnt say it was a defence for the perpetrators, I am just asking if we are being misled that this was an upstanding mam of the community going about his business.

 

[Energize]

I'm the last person to play the race card, but it admittedly looks like a modern day lynching.

The 41 pages of replies to the Rittenhouse thread and the lack of activity in this thread says it all really.

What a ridiculous thing to say, that thread is months old and this thread was started today lol.

Whys the guy that recorded it on trial?

This lawyer has a good take on it. It's all about whether in filming it the guy was participating or not.

 

[Dis86]

@Energize why weren't those guys that filmed George Floyd prosecuted then? They were lauded as heroes. It makes no sense.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

You seem to have failed at reading what I've written. What actions did he take. Not what is he charged with.

It says in those charges why they are relevant. Did you even read it?

@Energize why weren't those guys that filmed George Floyd prosecuted then? They were lauded as heroes. It makes no sense.

What a ridiculous thing to say. They were witnesses to a crime, they were also begging him to stop so they clearly didn't partake in it. If another officer had stood and filmed it that would be partaking in the crime. In this case he decided to get in his vehicle and take part in the chase.

These are the charges he would be most worried about. Although if the others are found guilty of felony murder he could easily be found guilty of that as well. I still think the court will treat him more leniently because of his cooperation and remorse.

Aggravated assault
Another way Georgia law defines this crime is as an assault using “any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury.” This count charges the defendants with using two pickup trucks to assault Mr. Arbery. It is punishable by imprisonment of one to 20 years.

False imprisonment
This charge applies when a person without legal authority “arrests, confines, or detains” another person “in violation of the personal liberty” of that person. Specifically, the defendants are charged with using their pickup trucks to chase, confine and detain Mr. Arbery “without legal authority.”

Criminal attempt to commit a felony
Georgia law defines criminal attempt as performing “any act which constitutes a substantial step” toward the intentional commission of a crime — in this case, the false imprisonment charged in Count 8. A defendant can be convicted either of completing a particular crime or of attempting it, but not both.

Because false imprisonment is a felony, attempting it is also a felony, punishable by half the attempted crime’s maximum sentence: in this case, one to five years in prison.

 

[Dis86]

It says in those charges why they are relevant. Did you even read it?



What a ridiculous thing to say. They were witnesses to a crime, they were also begging him to stop so they clearly didn't partake in it. If another officer had stood and filmed it that would be partaking in the crime. In this case he decided to get in his vehicle and take part in the chase.

These are the charges he would be most worried about. Although if the others are found guilty of felony murder he could easily be found guilty of that as well. I still think the court will treat him more leniently because of his cooperation and remorse.

Aggravated assault
Another way Georgia law defines this crime is as an assault using “any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury.” This count charges the defendants with using two pickup trucks to assault Mr. Arbery. It is punishable by imprisonment of one to 20 years.

False imprisonment
This charge applies when a person without legal authority “arrests, confines, or detains” another person “in violation of the personal liberty” of that person. Specifically, the defendants are charged with using their pickup trucks to chase, confine and detain Mr. Arbery “without legal authority.”

Criminal attempt to commit a felony
Georgia law defines criminal attempt as performing “any act which constitutes a substantial step” toward the intentional commission of a crime — in this case, the false imprisonment charged in Count 8. A defendant can be convicted either of completing a particular crime or of attempting it, but not both.

Because false imprisonment is a felony, attempting it is also a felony, punishable by half the attempted crime’s maximum sentence: in this case, one to five years in prison.

I'll ask again since you still really really seem to be struggling.

What did he do? I'm not asking about the charges. Forget the charges.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I'm the last person to play the race card, but it admittedly looks like a modern day lynching.

Not only that but the subsequent cover up and failure to actually attempt to get justice for his family show that racism is still built in to the system there. I do wonder if 3 black men had chased down and killed a white man while he was just out jogging would the police and DA have just swept it under the rug? Would they hell.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I'll ask again since you still really really seem to be struggling.

What did he do? I'm not asking about the charges. Forget the charges.

oh ffs its like conversing with a 3 year old except they've got an excuse. If you can't figure it out from everything you've been given when it spells it out then maybe big boy talk isn't for you. Cbeebies I'm sure is available 24 hours a day.

 

[OspreyO]

The 41 pages of replies to the Rittenhouse thread and the lack of activity in this thread says it all really.

I'm baffled. What does it say?

 

[Dis86]

oh ffs its like conversing with a 3 year old except they've got an excuse. If you can't figure it out from everything you've been given when it spells it out then maybe big boy talk isn't for you. Cbeebies I'm sure is available 24 hours a day.

So...Still can't answer a basic question. The irony of your post there is beautiful.
Especially after big boy klinck can't even tell the difference between dowie and deuse

 

[Hotwired]

Is there something wildly different about jury duty in america. Apparently this jury started off with 600 potential jurors.

 

[Energize]

@Energize why weren't those guys that filmed George Floyd prosecuted then? They were lauded as heroes. It makes no sense.

Because they were a totally separate group of individuals to the police who were perpetrating the crime, they were bystanders who just happened to witness it. In this case the guy filming was arguably part of the group that killed him, so it's right to put it to a trial for a jury to determine whether his involvement contributed to the murder.

 

[Dis86]

Because they were a totally separate group of individuals to the police who were perpetrating the crime, they were bystanders who just happened to witness it. In this case the guy filming was arguably part of the group that killed him, so it's right to put it to a trial for a jury to determine whether his involvement contributed to the murder.

That's the thing though, arguably part of the group, not definitively and am I right in thinking he was the one that provided footage to the prosecution? That doesn't make it sound like he's in cahoots.
So from what I can tell he was merely present and hasn't actually done anything.

 

[Energize]

That's the thing though, arguably part of the group, not definitively and am I right in thinking he was the one that provided footage to the prosecution? That doesn't make it sound like he's in cahoots.
So from what I can tell he was merely present and hasn't actually done anything.

He was part of the chase, not just a witness who happened to be there and that's what makes the difference. It's not a clear case that he was simply a witness.

3:30 onwards he attempts to explain

 

[deuse]

The 41 pages of replies to the Rittenhouse thread and the lack of activity in this thread says it all really.

What does it say?

 

[deuse]

oh ffs its like conversing with a 3 year old except they've got an excuse. If you can't figure it out from everything you've been given when it spells it out then maybe big boy talk isn't for you. Cbeebies I'm sure is available 24 hours a day.

Are you to embarrassed to answer?

 

[Dis86]

@Energize cheers, I'll give it a watch tonight.

What I will say though is have you never been with a group of people who have done something completely unexpected? I've been on many a night out where some idiot has just randomly started a fight, whether as part of my group or another where their mates are equally stupefied. Guilt by association should have its limits.

 

[ianh]

What does it say?

Probably that, as this thread is just 24hrs old vs the 15 months old Rittenhouse thread yet doesn't have the same number of replies, GD must therefore be full of racists - as a guess anyway, although I know I'm probably being unfairly harsh with my bias towards Klinck.

Regarding the case it's a right mess and I suspect the defendents will be found not guilty of murder even if I disagree with that in most regards, but found guilty of a lesser charge. To me and my understanding of events (could be wrong TBF) -

1. Seeing someone trespassing in an area which has suffered from B&E and then seeing the "suspect" running away so deciding to give chase in you car - not illegal but debateable in reality.

2. Attempting to perform a citizens arrest whilst you are armed - not illegal but, to me, a bad decision for many, many reasons. Mainly that you have no idea how the "arrested" will react etc.

3. Getting into a fight with the "suspect" so you shoot him - could be classed as self-defense but there were many other options available rather than getting into a fight which should have been avoided at all costs.

Then you have the reverse -

1. Out for a jog and you pop over to a house being built (IIRC) to have a look through the door - trespassing but a tiny thing.

2. Carry on jogging and suddenly a truck with 3 angry, armed men jump out shouting and pointing their guns at you so you, understandably, feel threatened - a fairly normal human reaction.

3. One of the guys tries to grab you so, fearing for your life you fight back but get shot and die.

Both sides "could" claim self defense, but the aggressor (to me) is the guy who tried to grab the jogger as there were many other non-violent ways the guy could have been "stopped", even just driving beside him whilst on the phone with the police etc (or any other scenario) so I would think that a jury will decide that his actions led to the shooting, hence a conviction on a lesser charge.

 

[VincentHanna]

Probably that, as this thread is just 24hrs old vs the 15 months old Rittenhouse thread yet doesn't have the same number of replies, GD must therefore be full of racists - as a guess anyway, although I know I'm probably being unfairly harsh with my bias towards Klinck.

Not quite...

I was more commenting on the fact that there hasdn't been a thread at all, and barely a mention of the case on OCUK.

Rittenhouse has been mentioned 177 times.

This is quite telling about bias though: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34707804