AKG K701/2, K712 and Beyerdynamic DT990 gaming comparison.

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Having recently managed to get couple years old second hand K702s and then buying also K712 to go along with my DT990 thought would be good to make some comparison on how they work with binaural sound.
(+ my tape keeping pieces from falling HD595 Sennheiser)


So after about ten hours spent in comparing them two with various binaural sound game videos (for proper repeatability) of mostly FPS games results are these.
But first quick intro for those who've spent their time looking gaming branded Chinese trinket marketing and listening bad excuse of sound:

DT990 is Beyerdynamic's three decades old take on open big soundstage headphone, with fun very good for open headphone bass impact.

K702 is detachable cable version of AKG's fair decade old K701, aimed at highly analytical sound with big soundstage and neutral bass.

K712 is few years old model aimed at DT990 like more "balanced"/fun sound adding above neutral punching fun bass to K700 line.



AKG K701/702:
Hands down the winner for competitiviness.
Bass neutral highly analytical sound combined to really big soundstage with lots of separation makes these "wall hack" for distinguishing foot steps, gunshots and such sounds about what other players are doing.
(while very good HD595 falls clearly behind in soundstage)
Downside is compromising in "fun factor".
Bass is there and actually goes pretty low if you listen for it, but it always takes the back seat to details and just doesn't punch much, unless really asked by source signal.
(though going deeper than in HD595)

If you want the highest level of competitiveness with their current pricing these are steal.


AKG K712:
Soundstage feels overal very similar to K702 with huge size and lots of separation.
Difference feels to come mostly from that fan bass:
When ever there are lower frequency sounds present foot steps and such are simply not so obvious.
That some compromising in competitiveness gives lot back in "fun factor".
Instead of being "shy"/taking always back seat bass is overall well present giving good immersion and punch.

Overal excellent balancing for gaming with very good immersion/fun, without giving up that much from competitiveness.

Beyerdynamic DT990:
Soundstage is big with good separation, but simply step behind from AKG huge.
(about level of HD595)
Likely because more "intimate" soundstage and flatter response between 1-4 kHz occasional sound felt easier to distinguish than with K712.
So overal not up to K712 level, but it still does very well with its notch smaller soundstage.
Also fun factor is definitely its strength.
While K712 should reach lower, DT990 feels to have little more bass impact.
With difference likely coming from K712 having more mids and bigger more airy soundstage.

Despite of its age very well balanced and excellent for fun gaming, while doing also very well in competitive gaming.
Especially Pro version gives lots of "bang per buck", with some possible inconveniencies from differences to Premium.



Comfort:
Overall all three are fit for hours and hours of continuous use.
AKGs have more firmer feeling bads and at first gave clearly more feel of wearing them, but now with more time using don't really notice them anymore.
Though with its very soft pads DT990 Premium still has some edge.

Also Beyer's head band with very good manual adjusting is likely better for more peculiar head shapes/sizes.
AKG's headband with its "automatic" adjusting also relies on some pressure to keep cups positioned.

DT990 Pro meant for studio has coiled cable, which can cause some inconvenience/need for extension cable if headphone output isn't near you.
(though not that 3m long straight cable is always easy)
Also it has more clamping force than Premium, so for longer listening comfort likely isn't as good. Though with steel inside head band it shouldn't mind if you bent it little.
 
I really like them! Sound is superb for music to my taste. However I don't like the elastic bands on the akg. It's like the vent on the death Star lol. Other then that they are superb and I'd be using them over my senn's if I wasn't stuck with that brand due to comfort
 
Thanks for writing your experience up, was coincidentally looking at the 712's and 702 to replace my Hyper X clouds. Seem the former may suit me with the slightly more punchier base and given I am gaming more, can give up the more analytical sound for fun factor.

Before I jump in and buy, do you know of any other headset's in a similar price range? Look like the 712's are going for around £180-£200 mark or so but just curious if anything else could enter the mix and be worthwhile looking at around the price point.
 
The HiFiMan HE400i are available for £180 on the rain forest and are a planar magnetic competitor to the K712
 
The HiFiMan HE400i are available for £180 on the rain forest and are a planar magnetic competitor to the K712

Thank you very much, added them to my list to compare against. Been reading reviews and they look pretty amazing also for the price.
 
^ my HD650, modified AKG K702, Sony MDR 1-A and Bayer DT990 have all been relegated to the headphone stands since I got mine a few months ago
 
Hmm, if I was to go for AKG K702 how would I combat a modmic picking up echos through Discord? Since it is open back wont they hear everything?

Would I also need an AMP for them as I’m currently running a 10 year old Auzentech X-Fi Prelude.
 
Hmm, if I was to go for AKG K702 how would I combat a modmic picking up echos through Discord? Since it is open back wont they hear everything?
If sound leak becomes problem you would have even bigger problem in serious hearing loss.
Keyboard sounds are noisier than any sound leak at hearing safe volumes.

Well, maybe except if attaching wrong end of modmic to headphones...
 
Well I don’t crank headphones up to any crazy levels. Ever. I just assumed open back headphones would leak to the mic therefor they would hear themselves creating the echo.

How would these headphones work with the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude?
 
How would these headphones work with the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude?
Considering Auzentech updated analog signal path components over standard X-Fi I don't expect problems.
With bass neutralizing CMSS-3D K712 should give some serious "aural wallhacking/god mode" for hearing where enemies are in fps games.
 
Hmmm.... Reading on Amazon I’m seeing a lot of people complaining after a certain date the AKG 702’s are made in China. Do I risk or go for AKG712 Pro? I’ll purchase a set after the New Year along with modmic. Just not sure which yet since they’ll be used for fps gaming. :eek:

Though I’m leaning more towards the 712 Pro reading the comments.
 
Hmmm.... Reading on Amazon I’m seeing a lot of people complaining after a certain date the AKG 702’s are made in China. Do I risk or go for AKG712 Pro? I’ll purchase a set after the New Year along with modmic. Just not sure which yet since they’ll be used for fps gaming. :eek:

Though I’m leaning more towards the 712 Pro reading the comments.
Second hand K702 I got are likely made in AKG's factory in China.
K712s have Made in Slovakia sticker in one part of head band and earlier before move of Europe's assembly factory they had Made in Austria sticker in there.
And quality wise it really depends on how much QC is done...
With lot lower salary costs than in Europe they could even afford little longer QC/testing for same price in China.

Anyway even competitive gaming wise there really wouldn't be many headphones above K712.
And use of equalizer would easily neutralize bass to make foot steps and such sounds more obvious.
While for normal gaming K702's bass lacks in fun.
With CMSS-3D itself killing bass above neutral bass is actually needed for some fun/immersion.
 
As far as I am aware the k702 has always been made in China. It is the 701 that wasn’t. I use my k702 with a Recon3Di soundcard which can cope with up to 600ohm headphones. The K702 is 62ohm. I think having a lot of head room over 62 helps with sound clarity. I certainly notice the difference when I plug it into my phone. The sound quality is much lower and I need to turn the volume up a lot more so I don’t use them with the phone anymore.
 
I'm interested in the AKG 712 PROs (mainly for music and games) as my K551s are falling apart.

I'm currently using on-board sound at the moment, I use to have an Essence STX but that stopped working over a year ago and I never got round to replacing it.

Is there any DAC/AMPs/Sound cards people would recommend for the AKG 712s? I've been looking at the Schiit stack (Magi / Modi) but its out of stock from the EU distributor until Jan 19th at least.
 
I'm interested in the AKG 712 PROs (mainly for music and games) as my K551s are falling apart.

I'm currently using on-board sound at the moment, I use to have an Essence STX but that stopped working over a year ago and I never got round to replacing it.

Is there any DAC/AMPs/Sound cards people would recommend for the AKG 712s? I've been looking at the Schiit stack (Magi / Modi) but its out of stock from the EU distributor until Jan 19th at least.
If you don't have noisy environment to isolate K712 is definitely well balanced for gaming with some more competitiviness as in DT990.
And above neutral bass should give good immersion for music.
You likely wouldn't like neutral bass after those closed cans.


There's sure lots of hype for "DACs" but for gaming those just suck.
Like it "says on the tin" digital-to-analog converters are "stupid" single purpose devices and lack features of sound cards.
Those don't even have any special parts available for them, but use same standard DAC chips. In fact many "DAC"s use lower quality DAC chips than higher end sound cards.

While only few closed cans have good soundstage for binaural sound K551 is likely good enough for decent immersion.
Just listen first from this time and then move to start. Should sound like from different game:
https://youtu.be/d1_20T8x_OI?t=12m55s
More "inside left ear - in center of head - in right ear" stereo suckyness in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ROujJ8Ae8
Or some binaural sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhwUT4BYMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iA0_6ZvhFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwvDmUwFcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8xZp0WPwxs

Newish Sound BlasterX AE-5 would be overall at level of that Essense STX and actually better for low impedance headphones with very low output impedance.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/crea...-5-black-rgb-gaming-sound-card-sc-104-cl.html
Very affordably priced Sound Blaster Z doesn't have as strong headphone output or low output impedance.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?sSearch=sound+blaster+z

Though considering what kind output impedances some even very acknowledged by "audiophiles" headphone amplifiers have damping factor of fair 3 wouldn't be bad.
I mean Beyerdynamic A20 has 100 ohm output impedance in its specs while supposedly good for 32 ohm cans meaning ~0,3 damping factor...
 
Hmm, think I’m swaying towards the K702 after seeing this... I don’t like his description on the K712 going for the consumer sound.


 
If you don't have noisy environment to isolate K712 is definitely well balanced for gaming with some more competitiviness as in DT990.
And above neutral bass should give good immersion for music.
You likely wouldn't like neutral bass after those closed cans.


There's sure lots of hype for "DACs" but for gaming those just suck.
Like it "says on the tin" digital-to-analog converters are "stupid" single purpose devices and lack features of sound cards.
Those don't even have any special parts available for them, but use same standard DAC chips. In fact many "DAC"s use lower quality DAC chips than higher end sound cards.

While only few closed cans have good soundstage for binaural sound K551 is likely good enough for decent immersion.
Just listen first from this time and then move to start. Should sound like from different game:
https://youtu.be/d1_20T8x_OI?t=12m55s
More "inside left ear - in center of head - in right ear" stereo suckyness in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ROujJ8Ae8
Or some binaural sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhwUT4BYMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iA0_6ZvhFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwvDmUwFcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8xZp0WPwxs

Newish Sound BlasterX AE-5 would be overall at level of that Essense STX and actually better for low impedance headphones with very low output impedance.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/crea...-5-black-rgb-gaming-sound-card-sc-104-cl.html
Very affordably priced Sound Blaster Z doesn't have as strong headphone output or low output impedance.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?sSearch=sound+blaster+z

Though considering what kind output impedances some even very acknowledged by "audiophiles" headphone amplifiers have damping factor of fair 3 wouldn't be bad.
I mean Beyerdynamic A20 has 100 ohm output impedance in its specs while supposedly good for 32 ohm cans meaning ~0,3 damping factor...

Thanks, EsaT. The Sound BlasterX AE-5 looks like a good option for me, and the couple of reviews I've looked at for it so far seem to rate it highly.
 
Hmm, think I’m swaying towards the K702 after seeing this... I don’t like his description on the K712 going for the consumer sound.


K712 has heavy bass only if comparison point is some ATH-AD700 with as much bass as tin can.
And soundstage definitely hasn't suffered really any from it.
Foot steps and such sounds just aren't so pronounced and forward pushed as in K702.

DT990 has little more bass feel and smaller soundstage than K712.
And even some famous for music HD650 would be lot behind DT990:
The DT990 destroys the HD650 in both depth and width. So how's the air within the soundstage? Well, the problem with the HD650, is that it's a very full sounding headphone. Thick, warm tone tends to make the soundstage seems less airy and smaller.
Positioning and soundstage tend to go hand in hand, so if the soundstage isn't great, the positional cues will suffer. How did the HD650 fare positional-wise? Well, they were good. Not great, and could obviously be better, but they do their job.​
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/mad...-11-10-2017-sennheiser-game-one-added.534479/
 
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