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Alder Lake-S leaks
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Yeah. If Intel could get 32 of them on a chip at around 100watts and reasonable money, Gracemont could have some legs.
Caporegime
By 16%, according to your figures, that makes ADL Big cores about 20% faster than Rocket Lake. Its drawing a huge amount power to do it tho.
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This an easy test to do when it's released. Disable e-cores and frequency match all core ADL to RKL. Then measure performance and power draw.
Caporegime
yeah ^^^
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Caporegime
There are no PL2 figures for Comet Lake on those slides, deliberately to make the bar lengths longer in comparison with ADL, ah marketing...... but yes i think you're right, in PL2 the 10700K is about 200 to 220 Watts.
I'm ignoring the comparison to Comet Lake because the power consumption on Comet Lake is enormous and while yes core for P core the performance on ADL is a solid 30% higher the power consumption is still enormous. 200 Watts + is ridiculous especially given its on Intel's latest and greatest manufacturing process.
Intel just aren't really brining their power down significantly.
Soldato
10nm will never compete with amd's 7nm efficiency, granted now intel have moved to 10nm its a great time as there is competition finally again, but with intel power draw is again its achilles heel, if the leaked power figures for the 12900k are true then you'll need some beefy cooling to handle the leaked 330w draw, to put that in comparison my 5950x pulls 194w but with all cores at 4.7ghz with smt enabled, which granted is a lot but i hope the leaked power result isnt true, 3 days we'll know
Caporegime
Your 5950X is overclocked running those clocks and that power level, of course its right as i'm pulling a little over 100 Watts package power at 4.7Ghz, about 85 Watts for the cores.
Zen 4 will be on 5nm, which is another huge leap in power efficiency from the node alone, current 7nm isn't all that, its more than 4 years old.
AMD started using it with the Radeon VII, The 6900XT is running on the same node, the latter has about 3X the performance per watt, if not more, Zen 2 was the first CPU to use it and while that was already very power efficient they managed to improve it with Zen 3.
Intel can't just improve their power efficiency with better processing alone, it looks like ADL P cores are the same old 'Core' but grown in transistor size.
Others, Apple, ARM, AMD, even Nvidia by the looks of it are designing more and more efficient architectures, with that you can get much more in to an architecture than with manufacturing improvements alone, if Intel don't do something about this they will get over taken and by wide margins by everyone.
Zen 5 Server CPU's are rumoured to pack 256 cores with 512 threads.
Zen 4 reacting to Intel will probably have a 30 to 40% per core higher performance and a step up in full size core counts.
So:
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Are Intel just going to pile more E cores on ADL?
Caporegime
This was a very aggressive move by Intel, which is great, but AMD are not going to sit there and say "Oh well it was good while it lasted" No, they will just push it to the next level beyond and give Intel a cheeky little wink. 
Man of Honour
Zen 4 is a while away though so Intel doing this now is a solid move to get all the people looking to upgrade systems during the Xmas period. All this may actually work out really well and come this time next year when Zen 4 chatter is hot topic, we repeat the whole process again for those that did not upgrade to the Intels because not every 11 or 10 series owner will upgrade to 12 naturally and AMD fans will of course hold out whilst watching what happens with Intel stuff over the year.
Either way we all win. Better competition, better prices (I fully expected much higher prices than what we are seeing now for ADL).
I'm happy either way tbh.
Either way we all win. Better competition, better prices (I fully expected much higher prices than what we are seeing now for ADL).
I'm happy either way tbh.
Caporegime
Caporegime
I smell a reworked and accelerated roadmap from AMD in-coming soon.
Yeah, great to see competition.
I'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Raptor Lake (drop in upgrade for Z690) is set to launch next year according to roadmaps - will Zen 3 refresh be out by then? Then we have Meteor lake, scheduled for early 2023.
Zen 3 refresh may aend up competing with Raptor Lake, Zen 4 may end up competing with Meteor Lake. It's fantastic to see so much innovation in such a short period of time, we have AMD to thank for this
As to which vendor will take their foot off the gas pedal first - could be argued this is AMD, as they're only doing a refresh with Zen3, though if it does end up giving 15% performance across the board, then this counts as more than just a simple refresh (E.G. Skylake to Kabylake - tiny refresh).
Soldato
You've been told many times that the 3D cache refresh of Zen 3 is coming Q1 next year and Raptor Lake is end of next year, with Zen 4 due about the same time. Unless Intel move Raptor Lake up by at least 6 months, Meteor lake will not land early 2023.
Can you please pay attention and stop repeating the same old cruft time and again.
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What happened to page 104 it comes up and see nothing at all ...Last post for me on page 103 was 8:01am then on page 105 11:15am very strange *to add i am on default page view settings
Caporegime
I get the same thing, dunno....