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Alder Lake-S leaks

Silent_Scone said:
You definitely don't need to run Prime to degrade a 5950X. AMD realised this themselves fairly early on. Anyway, not really the point. Point is, simply throwing around peak numbers doesn't really tell you much of anything.

A bit like you being in this thread when I highly doubt you'll even consider one of these chips ;)
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I've had as many Intel chips as i have had AMD, i have been doing this for near 30 years at this point.

Changing platforms to ADL is not worth it for me, i will see what's what when that time comes.
 
humbug said:
This is why i hate Prime95, it is power bug software
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No such thing, If the CPU cant cope with the software/program being run at stock settings then it's a issue with the CPU!

It comes an issue when overclocking yes, but then it's overclocked so expect high temps/power ect as you are removing the MFR limits.

humbug said:
Hehe.... no thank's. :) when i upgrade i will be looking for better per core performance.
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Buy a full CPU next time :p
 
pete910 said:
No such thing, If the CPU cant cope with the software/program being run at stock settings then it's a issue with the CPU!

It comes an issue when overclocking yes, but then it's overclocked so expect high temps/power ect as you are removing the MFR limits.




Buy a full CPU next time :p
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Its why those limits are in place, AVX puts an enormous load on the CPU which is tempered by those limits, i take your point and stand corrected. :)

I still hate idiot reditors: weeehhhyeee eee yee yee ye power heat.......................................................... Prime95!
It just makes me want to post back "its because you're stupid"

Buy a full CPU next time :p
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[______] off! :p
 
uscool said:
what you gonna do with the 11900k ? didnt have it long
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It's going into a VR/couch gaming rig, still a great chip for gaming, had lots of fun overclocking it. Got lucky with the silicon lottery, it's a SP90 rating chip (asus's UEFI rates each CPU based on the per chip vid voltage values which are set in the factory).
 
Adrian1976 said:
Does anyone know if OCUK can check our positions in a queue for the CPU's? It seems everywhere else has sold out of the 12900K something I didn't expect.
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You could send them a web note asking.

Suppliers are showing double digit weeks for lead times on new stock, so it'll be a trickle not a flood if you didn't get one early.
 
Journey said:
You could send them a web note asking.

Suppliers are showing double digit weeks for lead times on new stock, so it'll be a trickle not a flood if you didn't get one early.
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Called this back on page 83.

Joxeon said:
If there's anything that I learned from the past year is not to wait when new hardware is released as stock will dry up and prices tend to go up atleast in the short term.
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Silent_Scone said:
You definitely don't need to run Prime to degrade a 5950X. AMD realised this themselves fairly early on. Anyway, not really the point. Point is, simply throwing around peak numbers doesn't really tell you much of anything.

A bit like you being in this thread when I highly doubt you'll even consider one of these chips ;)
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i think people need to take there intel glasses off and stop being fanboy of any brand and just embrace whatever brand meets "your" needs.
 
humbug said:
Are Intel just going to pile more E cores on ADL?
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That's what the leaks say they are going to do lol. I assume they'll make IPC or clock gains or something, but there is nothing about going higher than 8 big cores.

This architecture won't be around for very long anyway so it's not going to be an issue (assuming no delays from Intel on their next gen CPU architecture coming in 2 years)
 
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humbug said:
Actually, you have to go in to the BIOS and take the power limits off for the CPU to draw run away power like this, so if it goes bang its your fault, you took the pin out....

I hope people don't RMA their CPU's after blowing them up with 12 hours of Prime95, i would hate for AMD to lock their CPU's down because of a few idiots.
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There is only one little slight issue with that I've discovered. On the i9 10900K if I lock the power down, the clocks also lock down to the base clock of all cores to 3.7Ghz when rendering/Cinebench or such. If I take the power limits off (MCE is disabled) I'll get my full all core 5Ghz clock speeds. Though I'm also on a Gigabyte Z490 Xtreme as it has the power.

Though I've never ran Prime on this. I usually use Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility for weakness tests.
 
V F said:
There is only one little slight issue with that I've discovered. On the i9 10900K if I lock the power down, the clocks also lock down to the base clock of all cores to 3.7Ghz when rendering/Cinebench or such. If I take the power limits off (MCE is disabled) I'll get my full all core 5Ghz clock speeds. Though I'm also on a Gigabyte Z490 Xtreme as it has the power.

Though I've never ran Prime on this. I usually use Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility for weakness tests.
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That's because what you're doing is locking to PL1, which incidentally is what Intel base their TDP on, so 125 Watts for the 10900K.

What's supposed to happen is the CPU is supposed to boost to PL2 for a few minutes, just enough time to complete a Cinebench run and then settle to PL1, most motherboards ignore that out of the box and just run at PL2 permanently.

Ryzen, or Zen 3 at least is different, though also a bit of a lie, it doesn't have PL1 and PL2, just a power limit of 142 Watts, doesn't mean it will run at that power level, typically a 5950X runs at about 130 Watts package power, which is different from the 105 Watt TDP, what AMD are doing is ignoring the Un-Core, the IO die, the 105 watts is the CPU cluster/s alone, the Un-Core or IO die chiplet typically uses about 20 to 25 watts, its on 12nm vs 7nm for the CPU chiplet. Put together you have your Package power, about 130 Watts.
 
humbug said:
That's because what you're doing is locking to PL1, which incidentally is what Intel base their TDP on, so 125 Watts for the 10900K.

What's supposed to happen is the CPU is supposed to boost to PL2 for a few minutes, just enough time to complete a Cinebench run and then settle to PL1, most motherboards ignore that out of the box and just run at PL2 permanently.

Ryzen, or Zen 3 at least is different, though also a bit of a lie, it doesn't have PL1 and PL2, just a power limit of 142 Watts, doesn't mean it will run at that power level, typically a 5950X runs at about 130 Watts package power, which is different from the 105 Watt TDP, what AMD are doing is ignoring the Un-Core, the IO die, the 105 watts is the CPU cluster/s alone, the Un-Core or IO die chiplet typically uses about 20 to 25 watts, its on 12nm vs 7nm for the CPU chiplet. Put together you have your Package power, about 130 Watts.
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It must be fun and games if people run them on an Asrock when you see what they've been up to with their boards.
 
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