Alder Lake-S leaks

[jigger]

Is this why Ryzen prices have dropped? AMD papping their pants, surely not?

I think it’s because everyone has gone back to the office in the U.K. at least. Prebuilt prices have also dropped, unless it’s a system built around a 5000G APU. The GPU market is still propping up prices of APU’s.

 

[turbot1984]

I think it’s because everyone has gone back to the office in the U.K. at least. Prebuilt prices have also dropped, unless it’s a system built around a 5000G APU. The GPU market is still propping up prices of APU’s.

My 10850k is still on at exactly what I paid last summer £420?

 

[jigger]

My 10850k is still on at exactly what I paid last summer £420?

Someone said 5600X are available for £160 so I’m sending my bot off. I’ll set up a 10850K bot.

Edit: knock £100 of the 10850K.

 

[turbot1984]

Someone said 5600X are available for £160 so I’m sending my bot off to hover them up. I’ll set up a 10850K bot.

.... not if I fill my garage up with them first ... lol.

 

[jigger]

.... not if I fill my garage up with them first ... lol.

I only need 72 and a couple on stock

 

[tommoT.Striker]

Yep looks like AVX-512 is dead for consumers.
We barely knew ye! lol! Intel must have enabling everywhere will increase adoption never worked out that way.

I had it on my tablet of all things.

Intel claim Alder Lake performance cores on average 19% better than cores in Rocket lake, we shall see about that.

 

[Iron Man]

Looking forward to seeing how much of an improvement this is but I’m still going to hold off until Zen 4.

 

[KompuKare]

Yep looks like AVX-512 is dead for consumers.

Intel and their crazy obsession with product segmentation is what ultimately killed it.
Irony is that it looks Zen 4 CCDs are getting AVX-512. Or more likely going by past AMD approaches, they're getting two AVX-256 units which can combine to do AVX-512 workloads.

 

[4K8KW10]

The leakers are claiming the 12900k beats the 5950x in multithread benchmarks.

Link to the fake leaks?

 

[Grim5]

Ah, Intel must be behind as their Architecture Day seems to actually be talking about upcoming stuff:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881/a-deep-dive-into-intels-alder-lake-microarchitectures

Intel Thread Director
We knew this, but they definitely are not going to wait for kernel schedulers to catch up.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881/a-deep-dive-into-intels-alder-lake-microarchitectures/2

Instruction Sets: Alder Lake Dumps AVX-512 in a BIG Way
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881/a-deep-dive-into-intels-alder-lake-microarchitectures/5
After all the AVX-512 hype we get this:


Anyway, haven't read all of it yet.
There's GPU coverage too.

Img hahah Intel has dumped AVX512

right now Dave2154 will be having a panick attack at this news

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Img hahah Intel has dumped AVX512

right now Dave2154 will be having a panick attack at this news

Nah it will be shifted to Intel knows best i would imagine

 

[4K8KW10]

AVX-512 is not needed. I have always been against the idea to implement it in the normal consumer processors.

 

[KompuKare]

Img hahah Intel has dumped AVX512

right now Dave2154 will be having a panick attack at this news

Not just him!

There were so many Intel evangelists on various forums for years going on about how Intel will destroy everyone with AVX 1/2/3, and it never materialised. If extra-wide and clever compilers were the answer to everything, Itanium wouldn't have flopped.

Still, got too love the way Intel got around the one big problem we all saw in their x86 big.LITTLE approach: How to migrate threads to unequal cores and instruction sets. The Intel 2021/2022 answer is: level the instruction sets down!

A bit strange that the AVX-512 unity is being fused off though. Sounds a bit last minute.

 

[4K8KW10]

Still, got too love the way Intel got around the one big problem we all saw in their x86 big.LITTLE approach: How to migrate threads to unequal cores and instruction sets. The Intel 2021/2022 answer is: level the instruction sets down!

Hmm, what a waste of silicon.

A bit strange that the AVX-512 unity is being fused off though. Sounds a bit last minute.

Yeah, looks like a sabotage against AMD's support.
Trying to beat AMD not with ultimate performance but with dirty tricks, as per usual.

Not necessarily true, but the suspicion is here.

 

[Quixote]

Is it really budget? I'm planning a new workstation and Intel have never let me down, but at £450 the 10900X is £50 less than the 5900X and 11900K, the same as the 3900XT if you don't mind dropping back a generation, and £90 more than the 5800X and 3900X. How does performance stack up against them?

I think £50 less than the 5900x is about what it's worth. Overall I'd prefer the 5900x. The thing is, it needs better cooling vs similar AMD chips & consumes more power. It just feels like Intel pushed it out of it's power/ performance sweet-spot to (try)(, in lightly threaded tasks) win the bar-graph contest. The 11900k is by all accounts a worse chip overall, I would do a lot of research before considering that one. The 5950x destroys the rest of them & isn't even particularly hot or power hungry but you will pay more for the privelige. The 5800x is an interseting one, it's known to be the hottest running of the new AMD line & with a 2-core defecit vs the 10900k, I'd say it's the lesser chip, although it depends what you do. For less threaded tasks I might prefer it, but it's worth less than the 10900k imo

 

[Mik3]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881/a-deep-dive-into-intels-alder-lake-microarchitectures/2

I read that earlier, the backend is a monster! they could probably put 4 threads through these it's that wide.

 

[Destination]

Intel claim Alder Lake performance cores on average 19% better than cores in Rocket lake, we shall see about that.

I wonder do they mean the big cores, or the fact a big core has a friend to help it?

 

[4K8KW10]

I wonder do they mean the big cores, or the fact a big core has a friend to help it?

Err, that is IPC of Alder Lake vs IPC of Rocket Lake.

IPC of small core is irrelevant here.

 

[Destination]

Err, that is IPC of Alder Lake vs IPC of Rocket Lake.

IPC of small core is irrelevant here.

So it is IPC of the Big core only?

 

[Grim5]

What is really interesting is that Intel is going so all in on Little cores that it's future desktop gaming CPUs will see only those increase in count.

the 12900k is 8 big and 8 little

but leaked documents show that the 15900k will be 8 big and 32 little and 12th, 13th and 14th somewhere in between.

essential Intel won't be making gaming CPUs with more than 8 big cores for the next 4 generations at least l