Alder Lake-S leaks

[4K8KW10]

What is really interesting is that Intel is going so all in on Little cores that it's future desktop gaming CPUs will see only those increase in count.

the 12900k is 8 big and 8 little

but leaked documents show that the 15900k will be 8 big and 32 little and 12th, 13th and 14th somewhere in between.

essential Intel won't be making gaming CPUs with more than 8 big cores for the next 4 generations at least l

Yeah, looks like they want to do something like Bulldozer in an Intel flavour


Intel Core i9 "Raptor Lake-S" to feature 24 cores, full lineup leaked - VideoCardz.com

So it is IPC of the Big core only?

Yes, the small core has Skylake's IPC which is like 50% or so of the big one?!
You don't add the two IPC in order to compare it to the old Rocket Lake core.


Intel is a mess.

 

[alec]

really interesting is that Intel is going so all in on Little cores

Not that interesting. Little cores not that little, basically Skylake core equivalent by IPC.

Would be interesting if integrated graphics could be used as little cores. Graphics compute units are now so versatile its not miles off. Couple big fat cores and thousands of parallel cores would make a difference.

 

[4K8KW10]

Not that interesting. Little cores not that little, basically Skylake core equivalent by IPC.

Would be interesting if integrated graphics could be used as little cores. Graphics compute units are now so versatile its not miles off. Couple big fat cores and thousands of parallel cores would make a difference.

That was AMD's original idea with Fusion and Llano which hasn't yet materialised.

The graphics compute units are so fast that you get super fat big cores out of them, not some miserable little Skylake-class small cores.

 

[humbug]

That was AMD's original idea with Fusion and Llano which hasn't yet materialised.

The graphics compute units are so fast that you get super fat big cores out of them, not some miserable little Skylake-class small cores.

 

[Aretak]

Slightly disappointing that they're killing off AVX-512 on the desktop. It's seen some decent usage for emulation in recent times.

 

[Iron Man]

I hope there is sufficient stock for the first day launch as I still have nightmares over last years gpu and ryzen 5000 release day debacles. I’m slightly tempted by this but hopefully you can weigh up the early reviews on the day 1 launch and then decide to buy without the bots and scalpers snapping near enough everything up.

 

[jigger]

Yeah, looks like they want to do something like Bulldozer in an Intel flavour


Intel Core i9 "Raptor Lake-S" to feature 24 cores, full lineup leaked - VideoCardz.com



Yes, the small core has Skylake's IPC which is like 50% or so of the big one?!
You don't add the two IPC in order to compare it to the old Rocket Lake core.


Intel is a mess.

Nova lake is meant to be the empire strikes back moment.

 

[jigger]

Img hahah Intel has dumped AVX512

right now Dave2154 will be having a panick attack at this news

To leverage AVX512 on the desktop is a minimum requirement of an Intel GPU, motherboard, CPU and SSD.

You heard it here first.

 

[4K8KW10]

Nova lake is meant to be the empire strikes back moment.

How and why? Any explanation?

 

[Grim5]

Nova lake is meant to be the empire strikes back moment.

How and why? Any explanation?

Nova Lake is a different architecture to the others and is currently being worked on in its early stages but due for release around 2025/2026 - the main goal of Nova Lake is to drastically improve the x86 efficiency and scalability so that you can still have a 5w x86 CPU that can compete with ARM.

So that is the main goal for it, ARM designs currently smash x86 CPUs for efficiency- look at the Apple M1, they nearly doubled battery life on their portables and gained extra performance from switching from x86 to ARM.

Nova Lake is meant to bring x86 back into line with ARM efficiency - that's the goal of the project

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Looks like history will repeat itself and intel will dominate again for 10 years.
Intels big little architecture seems to be far more impressive than arms.

 

[cliffy]

Looks like history will repeat itself and intel will dominate again for 10 years.
Intels big little architecture seems to be far more impressive than arms.

Little premature at the moment i think

 

[kitfit1]

Looks like history will repeat itself and intel will dominate again for 10 years.
Intels big little architecture seems to be far more impressive than arms.

You won't mind me quoting that statement in my sig once all the reviews and benchies are public will you @Cyber-Mav ?

 

[4K8KW10]

Looks like history will repeat itself and intel will dominate again for 10 years.
Intels big little architecture seems to be far more impressive than arms.

Technically it will be extremely difficult, because the performance today depends on the variable - multi-threaded performance which more or less depends on the number of hardware cores.
And if Intel doesn't magically find a way to offer way more cores at the respective price tiers, and the software gets optimised for these more cores, then it won't happen as you imagine it.

 

[kitfit1]

Technically it will be extremely difficult, because the performance today depends on the variable - multi-threaded performance which more or less depends on the number of hardware cores.
And if Intel doesn't magically find a way to offer way more cores at the respective price tiers, and the software gets optimised for these more cores, then it won't happen as you imagine it.

In much the same way way that DAB is complete rubbish in the UK...................................or does that not happen as you imagine it ?

 

[4K8KW10]

In much the same way way that DAB is complete rubbish in the UK...................................or does that not happen as you imagine it ?

But it's great in Germany

 

[kitfit1]

But it's great in Germany

It would be when your listening on a £250 bit of rubbish

 

[4K8KW10]

It would be when your listening on a £250 bit of rubbish

Hello troll
It's still better than listening to FM on a £25 piece of rubbish.

 

[KompuKare]

Looks like history will repeat itself and intel will dominate again for 10 years.
Intels big little architecture seems to be far more impressive than arms.

Do you have any insider info there?

Or are you supposing that a monster company like Intel can afford to stumble around a bit, but has to much money that almost by change one of their projects will save the day (like Pentium M eventually did)?

Obviously Alder Lake is big change, but I am not that confident.

What I find worrying is that so late in the day they decided to totally fuse off AVX-512. That tells me that all this time they had confidence that they could manage migrating threads across cores with differing instructions sets, but at the last moment changed their mind.

Maybe they'll get that working in a future version, but in the meantime Alder Lake-S is gong to carry a huge die area cost for something it does not use.

 

[Joxeon]

Maybe they dropped AVX 512 to keep down the power consumption as weren't there talk of these pulling almost 300w?.