Alder Lake-S leaks

[Murphy]

Yeah, but it’s at least a move in the right direction for Intel. I’d still pick AM4 over LGA 1700 though.

Really, even with AM5 and DDR5 for AMD just around the corner? Personally i wouldn't jump on the AM4 platform this close to EOL, maybe once AM5 comes out I'd pickup some discounted AM4 stuff if i was after a cheapish upgrade but not now, each to their own i guess.

Why would anyone with a ryzen 3 upgrade?

Seriously who upgrades every generation for cpu mobo and ram?

upgrading a GPU every generation yes? but a cpu ram and mobo?

Don't ask me but i guess some people do.

 

[humbug]

I know but the 5950X is a really strong chip. A version with 200mb of cache would hold out well over time IMO.

Its a better chip than the 12900K, because Intel's architecture doesn't scale at all vs AMD architecture which scales incredibly well, the 12900K is Intel desperately wanting to keep pace with that highest end to say they have it but really its a total failure, in my view. but you would only have that CPU is you actually needed it, its a HEDT CPU on the cheap.

 

[jigger]

Really, even with AM5 and DDR5 for AMD just around the corner? Personally i wouldn't jump on the AM4 platform this close to EOL, maybe once AM5 comes out I'd pickup some discounted AM4 stuff if i was after a cheapish upgrade but not now, each to their own i guess.

Don't ask me but i guess some people do.

Yeah, I don’t see an issue with AM4. A X570S board, 3D-Vache 5950X and 64gb of RAM wouldn’t be a bad place to be in a few years I don’t think.

 

[LePhuronn]

Really, even with AM5 and DDR5 for AMD just around the corner? Personally i wouldn't jump on the AM4 platform this close to EOL, maybe once AM5 comes out I'd pickup some discounted AM4 stuff if i was after a cheapish upgrade but not now, each to their own i guess.

AM4 has a year left in it, so it is a dead end. However there's no guarantees Raptor Lake will be a drop in upgrade to existing LGA 1700 boards, so LGA 1700 for Alder Lake could also be only a year.

Faced with that, I'd probably swing towards AM4 as well.

 

[TNA]

Yeah, I don’t see an issue with AM4. A X570S board, 3D-Vache 5950X and 64gb of RAM wouldn’t be a bad place to be in a few years I don’t think.

Certainly a better place than a AMD Ryzen 1800X at 4.1Ghz

 

[jigger]

Certainly a better place than a AMD Ryzen 1800X at 4.1Ghz

No chance. 4.15Ghz is you don’t mind. Should I drop a 5950X in that board…

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Example of DDR5 scaling. Keep in mind this is an entry level Micro kit. The DDR4 version of some 2800mhz kit. Will post updates when big boys arrive. Over 200 for sure

 

[V F]

Extrapolating from the bench and based on my experience with a 9900k overclocked to 5Ghz as even at 4k, whenever I sprint within a heavily populated area or drive through it, the game just crushes any current gen CPU even at 4k, where you will see drops in GPU usage and FPS goes below 60 on pretty much any CPU out there. On the 5950x, the game just refuses to use any more than 8 cores, so only those will be maxed out while the rest remain idle and FPS continues to drop below 60.

You can see this from 11:06 onwards in the below video. The 10900k gets brutalized as he sprints. This was the single area the reviewers should have tested as no open-world game I have apart from Far Cry 6 actually shows CPU bottlenecks at 4k.

Hmmm... The graphics on the people look really poor, no? They looks so flat and bland.

 

[gerardfraser]

Well I am an idiot,I know there is no difference in PC gaming,after cancelling my 12900K,motherboard,ram yesterday ,I went out to the computer store today and bought 12900k,motherboard blah blah but I can not install,still waiting on 1700 bracket for AIO 360mm.
Good news bought one of those fancy M.2 7000MB/s drives which also make no difference in PC gaming.Hurry up and release something new AMD so I can sell this crap.

 

[mrk]

You what the what now?

Didn't want to buy New Intel kit so cancelled online order, then bought new Intel kit in person from a shop, now want to buy new AMD kit and sell Intel kit in a few months time?

Are you OK?!

 

[MartinPrince]

derbauer DDR4/5 video

Thanks for this, though he seems to have made an error with the AIDA64 latency charts/testing. DDR4 3000 C16-16-16-36 definitely does not have a lower latency than DDR4 3800 C16-16-16-36.

Edit. My mistake, he has had to go from Gear 1 to Gear 2 which explains it, though I thought you could still do Gear 1 at 3800, ah well.

 

[MartinPrince]

You what the what now?

Didn't want to buy New Intel kit so cancelled online order, then bought new Intel kit in person from a shop, now want to buy new AMD kit and sell Intel kit in a few months time?

Are you OK?!

There's nothing wrong with him, he just likes new stuff! - Though, to be fair he did call himself an idiot and who are we to contradict that.

 

[mrk]

That's all fair and everything, can't sniff at liking new stuff!

I cannot sleep, as sad as it sounds the moment the DPD van rolls up the front with the new mobo it's Weetabix time then straight to building

Already put the old mobo, cpu, AIO and case on marketplace hoping to fetch £250 or so for.

 

[Twinz]

While some of the complaining about power numbers sounds like some people just want to minimize Intel's performance, I have encountered a situation that has me considering power draw more than I used to in the past.

I recently upgraded to a 3080ti that pulls up to 450w and this seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back with respect to my sim rig and the 900w UPS that I use to keep my racing uniterupted....

Between my PC, wheel, and transducer setup, I tripped the warrning beep on the UPS.

I have never seen my 5800X pull more than 155w so a more power hungry CPU will just make the problem worse. While I can fix the issue for now by getting a second UPS for the non PC parts, I can now imagine a scenario where a 4090 and 13900K would be too much for a single consumer-grade UPS.

I assume people who go all-out on PC performance also want to use an uninterruptible power supply, but how many are willing to shell out the money for a commercial-grade UPS to protect it?

I'm happy that we are getting more performance and competition, but there is a point where power draw matters, even on desktop, and I think we are only a generation away if things continue on as they have recently.

 

[TNA]

Well I am an idiot,I know there is no difference in PC gaming,after cancelling my 12900K,motherboard,ram yesterday ,I went out to the computer store today and bought 12900k,motherboard blah blah but I can not install,still waiting on 1700 bracket for AIO 360mm.
Good news bought one of those fancy M.2 7000MB/s drives which also make no difference in PC gaming.Hurry up and release something new AMD so I can sell this crap.

FOMO got to you also in the end eh? Lol.

There's nothing wrong with him, he just likes new stuff! - Though, to be fair he did call himself an idiot and who are we to contradict that.

AD has not made me feel FOMO or anything in the slightest personally. But I do also enjoy new tech and am happy to see intel bringing it this time rather than another crappy 14++++- cpu only the likes of Dave upgrades (downgrades to)

More competition the better! We don’t want AMD getting too far ahead as you all know if they do, their prices will only go up even more.

 

[gerardfraser]

You what the what now?

Didn't want to buy New Intel kit so cancelled online order, then bought new Intel kit in person from a shop, now want to buy new AMD kit and sell Intel kit in a few months time?

Are you OK?!

I am OK it is just a hobby,hell I bought around and used 8 AMD Ryzen CPU's in the last 2 years.I am just happy I do not like cars.

FOMO got to you also in the end eh? Lol.

It always does get me,I even know for my needs there is no difference in the PC gaming setup I have now to the new Intel stuff.

 

[humbug]

There's nothing wrong with him, he just likes new stuff! - Though, to be fair he did call himself an idiot and who are we to contradict that.

Hey its fun to be an idiot from time to time

 

[gerardfraser]

Hey its fun to be an idiot from time to time

The only difference is that I know I am an idiot

 

[Grim5]

Igors lab has done more benchmarks with the 12900k locked to 125w and it's impressive.

It's performance per watt is very impressive against ryzen 5000.

In most cases the 12900k gains very little extra performance from being allowed to go up to 240w.

if you want efficiency, lock your 12900k in the bios to 125w PL1 and on average it going to 95% as fast as at 240w PL2

https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-ma...ion-einsatz-und-eine-niederlage-fuer-amd-2/9/

 

[Grim5]

Jay has done some of his own power testing

what he found is by default his mobo is actually breaking PL2 anyway and pulling up to 270w at load.

another reviews did a big roundup of various boards, Gigabyte is the worst for this - using a 12900k on a gigabyte board will make the 12900k pull an extra 30w compared to Asus or Msi. yes gigabyte boards do top the performance charts because of this.