Alder Lake-S leaks

[Shaz12]

Cyberpunk 2077. Oof.

Finally! This looks to be a proper CPU benchmark done right on CP2077 with ray tracing turned on and driving through the city center vs. the useless benchmark Steve did on HUB. The 4k results I picked below are very interesting. Seems Alder Lake is virtually eliminating the split second hitching which occurs when the game is spawning NPCs at a record rate. As I thought, the average frame rate is just 6 FPS faster but the minimums are much more consistent so the game would feel vastly smoother on ADL due to no hitching.

 

[TNA]

Top position will still be AMD by miles

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/6.html

Miles??

As I said, deluded

 

[humbug]

So... how about that 12700KF, looks like a good cost effective CPU, yes?

 

[TNA]

So... how about that 12700KF, looks like a good cost effective CPU, yes?

Why, you looking to upgrade?

 

[humbug]

Why, you looking to upgrade?

Not yet, not for a couple of years, but i like it.

 

[jonneymendoza]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/6.html

Miles??

As I said, deluded

Yea some people think a 2fps increase at 480p res makes the alder lake CPU MILES ahead of AMD

 

[Murphy]

Overall Alder lake is a pass I would say.

I wouldn't say that, i mean if you've been needing to upgrade because you're noticing your system is showing its age then I'd choose it over Ryzen, it's not worth upgrading anything from the last 5 years or so (IMO) but for anything older it's alright, at least until AM5.

 

[humbug]

If you were to ask to chose between the 12700KF and the 5800X now i would chose the 12700KF, actually the 12700K i think the iGPU is worth it just in case i have some problem, the iGPU is useful for trouble shooting.

 

[LePhuronn]

How much can Raptor Lake build on this success would be the question I'd be asking.

P cores move to "Raptor Cove" which brings 10% IPC bump, E cores remain on "Gracemont" but get double the number.

So a 13900K would be 8P E16, or 24c/32t

 

[jigger]

I wouldn't say that, i mean if you've been needing to upgrade because you're noticing your system is showing its age then I'd choose it over Ryzen, it's not worth upgrading anything from the last 5 years or so (IMO) but for anything older it's alright, at least until AM5.

Yeah, but it’s at least a move in the right direction for Intel. I’d still pick AM4 over LGA 1700 though.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I wouldn't say that, i mean if you've been needing to upgrade because you're noticing your system is showing its age then I'd choose it over Ryzen, it's not worth upgrading anything from the last 5 years or so (IMO) but for anything older it's alright, at least until AM5.

Why would anyone with a ryzen 3 upgrade?

Seriously who upgrades every generation for cpu mobo and ram?

upgrading a GPU every generation yes? but a cpu ram and mobo?

You tend to stick with a cpu ram and mobo until a app or game struggles to run on it.

Software and games have not even caught up using the raw power of a ryzen 3, nevermind intel alder lake

 

[TNA]

Yea some people think a 2fps increase at 480p res makes the alder lake CPU MILES ahead of AMD

Yep, that too. I don’t get it. I play at 4K and for the most part it makes jack **** difference basically

Not yet, not for a couple of years, but i like it.

I was just messing with you man. Would make no sense to upgrade from a 5800X.

Seriously who upgrades every generation for cpu mobo and ram?

Grim does. Lol

 

[jigger]

If you were to ask to chose between the 12700KF and the 5800X now i would chose the 12700KF, actually the 12700K i think the iGPU is worth it just in case i have some problem, the iGPU is useful for trouble shooting.

Im coming at this from maybe a slightly different position, but Alder lake forces you to uses Win 11, DDR5 along with some cooling commitments. When you consider that the 5900X and 5950X become options. Plus the thread director issues go away.

 

[Destination]

Finally! This looks to be a proper CPU benchmark done right on CP2077 with ray tracing turned on and driving through the city center vs. the useless benchmark Steve did on HUB. The 4k results I picked below are very interesting. Seems Alder Lake is virtually eliminating the split second hitching which occurs when the game is spawning NPCs at a record rate. As I thought, the average frame rate is just 6 FPS faster but the minimums are much more consistent so the game would feel vastly smoother on ADL due to no hitching.

this is interesting, the removal of hitching, have you seen this occur, or just extrapolating from the bench?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Yep, that too. I don’t get it. I play at 4K and for the most part it makes jack **** difference basically




I was just messing with you man. Would make no sense to upgrade from a 5800X.



Grim does. Lol

yea i play at 4k too.

Heck even at 1440p you dont see any difference in gaming.

Also, that 2fps incrase u only see when your frame rates are 200fps or more lol.

 

[humbug]

Its not worth moving from Zen 3 to ADL, i also don't like the 12900K vs the 5950X, that is just Intel pressing the "I'm desperate and this all i can do button"

But the 12700 and by extension the 12600 series, i do think they are better CPU's than the AMD counter parts.

Im coming at this from maybe a slightly different position, but Alder lake forces you to uses Win 11, DDR5 along with some cooling commitments. When you consider that the 5900X and 5950X become options.

That's not a killer for me, it runs fine with DDR4 and my existing cooler can handle the 12700K more than fine, its the cooler i see a lot of people getting for the 12900K and it can handle that very well.

The gaming performance is much of a muchness to me they are about the same, i see people posting Cyberpunk 2077 results over and over again like they are the be all and end all.... trying to use them as if they make some wider point about smoothness, its all strawman crap where there is no need for it.

The productivity is much better on the 12700K, while that's not the main reason for choosing a CPU, gaming is and that at least is as good; actually a little better on the 12700K, that productivity just adds to the overall package, The power consumption is a lot higher but it is not horrendous, i'm comfortable with where it is, just.

12700K, great CPU.

 

[Shaz12]

this is interesting, the removal of hitching, have you seen this occur, or just extrapolating from the bench?

Extrapolating from the bench and based on my experience with a 9900k overclocked to 5Ghz as even at 4k, whenever I sprint within a heavily populated area or drive through it, the game just crushes any current gen CPU even at 4k, where you will see drops in GPU usage and FPS goes below 60 on pretty much any CPU out there. On the 5950x, the game just refuses to use any more than 8 cores, so only those will be maxed out while the rest remain idle and FPS continues to drop below 60.

You can see this from 11:06 onwards in the below video. The 10900k gets brutalized as he sprints. This was the single area the reviewers should have tested as no open-world game I have apart from Far Cry 6 actually shows CPU bottlenecks at 4k.

 

[jigger]

Its not worth moving from Zen 3 to ADL, i also don't like the 12900K vs the 5950X, that is just Intel pressing the "I'm desperate and this all i can do button"

But the 12700 and by extension the 12600 series, i do think they are better CPU's than the AMD counter parts.



That's not a killer for me, it runs fine with DDR4 and my existing cooler can handle the 12700K more than fine, its the cooler i see a lot of people getting for the 12900K and it can handle that very well.

The gaming performance is much of a muchness to me they are about the same, i see people posting Cyberpunk 2077 results over and over again like they are the be all and end all.... trying to use them as if they make some wider point about smoothness, its all strawman crap where there is no need for it.

The productivity is much better on the 12700K, while that's not the main reason for choosing a CPU, gaming is and that at least is as good; actually a little better on the 12700K, that productivity just adds to the overall package, The power consumption is a lot higher but it is not horrendous, i'm comfortable with where it is, just.

12700K, great CPU.

If I was going to commit to LGA 1700 over AM4 I’d have to leverage the advantages of DDR5 otherwise I’d go AM4.

 

[humbug]

If I was going to commit to LGA 1700 over AM4 I’d have to leverage the advantages of DDR5 otherwise I’d go AM4.

DDR5 is the future but it need's time to settle in, DDR5 over DDR4 is not a reason for me, not yet and probably not for a little while.

AM4 is dead end, Zen 3D will gain AMD gaming performance, it may put them back on top again by a small margin, but its not going to do much else beyond that and then its dead. AMD are going LGA.

 

[jigger]

DDR5 is the future but it need's time to settle in, DDR5 over DDR4 is not a reason for me, not yet and probably not for a little while.

AM4 is dead end, Zen 3D will gain AMD gaming performance, it may put them back on top again be a small margin, but its not going to do much else beyond that and then its dead. AMD are going LGA.

I know but the 5950X is a really strong chip. A version with 200mb of cache would hold out well over time IMO.