Alder Lake-S leaks

[SeeNoWeevil]

Whatever memory you choose on day one won't make an iota of difference given how everyone with ADL CPUs are going to be GPU bound out the wazzoo.

 

[V F]

It's technically not a performance thing. It's to help games that don't work due to DRM tripping. I can see people using it for performance tweaking though and I imagine game benchmarks will test both options.

Thing is, at the end of the day it's more faffing to get things sorted that never happened before.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Alder lake is very complicated when it comes to memory speed. On one half of the chip you the Skylake clusters with a low latency ring bus and the other the Atom cores in a high latency mesh. I think Alder lake will be performance balancing act within a narrow margin when it comes to memory tuning.

I don’t think the design will suddenly see double digit performance gains from DDR5 7500mhz or dropping down to Cas20 1T.

I literally just showed you scaling and you still came up with this?

 

[Shaz12]

When are the motherboard reviews dropping?

 

[jigger]

I literally just showed you scaling and you still came up with this?

Intel come up with this.

 

[Shaz12]

Whatever memory you choose on day one won't make an iota of difference given how everyone with ADL CPUs are going to be GPU bound out the wazzoo.

Unless you play WD Legion which is 22% faster on DDR5 making me wonder if Cyberpunk would also show such gains in cpu limited scenarios as they both have RT. Not sure if that is an anomaly as the same game when tested by eteknix didn’t show any gains.

 

[gerardfraser]

I literally just showed you scaling and you still came up with this?

Why do you and a few others I can name keep spouting this stuff about ram performance in PC gaming.
Running 12900K with a 3090 with the lowest settings at 1080p is just trying to trick people when in reality anyone who actually plays PC games buy these faster Ram and then are on the forums asking what happened.
Tell it like it is,your benching for epeen and that is fine but at least tell people the truth because I know you know the difference.IF I hurt your feeling too bad suck it up buttercup

 

[Shaz12]

Why do you and a few others I can name keep spouting this stuff about ram performance in PC gaming.
Running 12900K with a 3090 with the lowest settings at 1080p is just trying to trick people when in reality anyone who actually plays PC games buy these faster Ram and then are on the forums asking what happened.
Tell it like it is,your benching for epeen and that is fine but at least tell people the truth because I know you know the difference.IF I hurt your feeling too bad suck it up buttercup

If you are using reconstruction/upscaling techniques like DLSS/FSR at 4K then the 1080p data is actually very relevant even at 4K.

 

[g67575]

Can DDR4 4000mhz kits be run on Alder Lake DDR4 motherboards, at gear 1 /1:1 then? Or, only some Z690 boards?

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Can DDR4 4000mhz kits be run on Alder Lake DDR4 motherboards, at gear 1 /1:1 then? Or, only some Z690 boards?

Depends on the Kit. Bdie on Asus Prime is your safe bet here.

 

[g67575]

Thanks. Is DDR4 running at 4400mhz considered to be bdie? Or, is it necessary to buy more expensive kits?

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Thanks. Is DDR4 running at 4400mhz considered to be bdie? Or, is it necessary to buy more expensive kits?

just link here what kit it is easier than going back n forth

 

[g67575]

OK. Here is a DDR 4400mhz kit:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...qwdBQJZziTmv6neEwEm8-1636222630-0-gaNycGzNCKU

voltage = 1.45v, if that is important.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

OK. Here is a DDR 4400mhz kit:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...qwdBQJZziTmv6neEwEm8-1636222630-0-gaNycGzNCKU

voltage = 1.45v, if that is important.

yeah thats' bdie so you're good. Example of what i was talking about earlier with bdie and prime boards:

 

[g67575]

@Robert896r1 . Thanks

Pretty low latencies too.

What difference does do Asus Prime boards make?

 

[Purgatory]

Something new for you AMD and Intel Fans to fight about :-

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...0-Series-2242/#IntelQuickSyncPerformanceBoost

Have fun ..


Now you know why there was so many work applications in reviewers benchmarks, that you normally would not see that reviewer do such benchmarks, guessing part of the Intel benchmark testing required for the reviews . Now explains why gaming is seeing normal increases in benchmarks when not GPU bound and well some are just broken under the new ADL chip design being slightly slower or faster or giving totally fake results like 8GHz-9GHz overclocks, or worse using the IGPU Intel Quick Sync as a cpu benchmark, where it should have been disabled to show the true cpu result not a CPU+IGPU result..

Anyways be nice when you fight about this one and as always stated buy what fits your needs not what someone else is telling you, check the reviews for the workloads you do, if gaming only well we all know the reality on that one now, it's a little uplift if you have a decent cpu already or could be slightly lower performance depending on the game, so buy what fits your use case.


Let the battle begin ..

 

[Drollic]

Seems like the hit initially for a ddr5 board is worth it if you keep a system long term.

 

[Grim5]

Something new for you AMD and Intel Fans to fight about :-

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...0-Series-2242/#IntelQuickSyncPerformanceBoost

Have fun ..


Now you know why there was so many work applications in reviewers benchmarks, that you normally would not see that reviewer do such benchmarks, guessing part of the Intel benchmark testing required for the reviews . Now explains why gaming is seeing normal increases in benchmarks when not GPU bound and well some are just broken under the new ADL chip design being slightly slower or faster or giving totally fake results like 8GHz-9GHz overclocks, or worse using the IGPU Intel Quick Sync as a cpu benchmark, where it should have been disabled to show the true cpu result not a CPU+IGPU result..

Anyways be nice when you fight about this one and as always stated buy what fits your needs not what someone else is telling you, check the reviews for the workloads you do, if gaming only well we all know the reality on that one now, it's a little uplift if you have a decent cpu already or could be slightly lower performance depending on the game, so buy what fits your use case.


Let the battle begin ..

Haha, don't need hedt if your 12900k already competed with TR

 

[Purgatory]

Haha, don't need hedt if your 12900k already competed with TR

Well for applications that use Intel Quick Sync only... Did you read it all and also realise without Intel Quick Sync the 5900x is same performance as a 12900k and 5950x is faster. So basically only way 12900k wins is by also using its IGPU in a CPU benchmark.


Intel Quick Sync Enabled for this test :-





Intel Quick Sync Disabled for this test as it can't be used with that codec :-

 

[Grim5]

A Canadian retailer has accidentally listed the 12400f and 12100 for pre order.

I've converted them to USD (not sure if this price includes a type of GST/VAT)

12400f 6 big cores, 12 threads (0 little cores): $199usd

12100 4 big cores, 8 threads (0 little cores):
$149usd


If I assume these prices do include Canadian sales tax then the prices without taxes are: $179usd for the 12400f and $135usd for the 12100