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Alder Lake-S leaks

mrk said:
As for Lightroom, exporting 50 full frame RAWs to 100% JEG max res:
6700K: 3m 3s
12700KF: 1m 8s

That means a batch of 1000 photos that would have taken me 61 minutes will now take only around 21 minutes :cool:

Import times were not timed really but I did note that generating previews were lightning quick and I have a USB 3.2 card reader too so importing was very quick too. It was too quick importing to not even think about timing it I guess is the best way to describe it.
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Interesting results. I've been thinking about upgrading my existing desktop for a few years now (6900k with 2666 ram), but the marginal benefits have so far outweighed the cost.

This is my existing system: https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/view.php?id=55043
The only LR benchmark for a 12700k I could find: https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/view.php?id=61483

On the active score (mostly develop tab), the 12700k is 12% faster. I can't say this would make much difference, and might be barely noticable.

However, on the passive score, the 12700k is a massive 50% faster. This is mostly importing and building previews, and then exporting again. This must mean that LR is also using the smaller cores for these tasks in addition to the IPC increase over the years. After this year's BTCC weekend I came home with over 7k raw files, and it did take a loooong time to build 1:1 previews (1h+) after importing them (maybe 10-15 minutes to copy from the memory cards and import). I generally export in smaller batches of 150-300 at a time and not full size so these typically only take a couple of minutes. The 12900k is about 77% faster in the passive tasks.

These sort of gains are centainly worth considering an upgrade.
 
mrk said:
Yup I expect most people have no issues at all but like with everything in life, those with issues often shout loudest so you tend to hear about issues more thne no issues.

It's all relative really I'd say.
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mrk said:
Who was it that said ADL/Z690 would be riddled with bugs here? I've encountered zero bugs so far and have been editing, benchmarking etc. Explain your words immediately :D
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Well you’re MS paint skills are now level one at least :p but I’m still sensing a little deflection.

I hope you can see the duality in those two posts I quoted and understand it’s somewhat naive to expect plain sailing with Alder lake.

Fact is, Intel have no choice but to fudge their way through the next fives years or so.

Actual* silicon level bugs are another thing entirely and a topic in itself when it comes to Intel. Particularly surrounding flaws in silicon and security.
 
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jigger said:
Well you’re MS paint skills are now level one at least :p but I’m still sensing a little deflection.

I hope you can see the duality in those two posts I quoted and understand it’s somewhat naive to expect plain sailing with Alder lake.

Fact is, Intel have no choice but to fudge their way through the next fives years or so.

Actual* silicon level bugs are another thing entirely and a topic in itself when it comes to Intel. Particularly surrounding flaws in silicon and security.
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I actually don't understand what you are saying there. MS Paint skills?! For me the build has been pretty much plain sailing. The XMP profile issue in the BIOS is not related to Alder Lake as it's something that crops up on various boards from time to time over the years. None of the games with scheduling issues are games I play either and Photoshop was just a rollback to the previous 2021 version so haven't actually missed out on anything there and Adobe can update to sort that out.

All things considered, new OS, new architecture and new chipsets all working so far so good I'd call a rather good success really. There have been no driver bugs for example that I have seen reported. Intel 600 series seems to be working really good for everyone.

JohnStewart said:
Interesting results. I've been thinking about upgrading my existing desktop for a few years now (6900k with 2666 ram), but the marginal benefits have so far outweighed the cost.

This is my existing system: https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/view.php?id=55043
The only LR benchmark for a 12700k I could find: https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/view.php?id=61483

On the active score (mostly develop tab), the 12700k is 12% faster. I can't say this would make much difference, and might be barely noticable.

However, on the passive score, the 12700k is a massive 50% faster. This is mostly importing and building previews, and then exporting again. This must mean that LR is also using the smaller cores for these tasks in addition to the IPC increase over the years. After this year's BTCC weekend I came home with over 7k raw files, and it did take a loooong time to build 1:1 previews (1h+) after importing them (maybe 10-15 minutes to copy from the memory cards and import). I generally export in smaller batches of 150-300 at a time and not full size so these typically only take a couple of minutes. The 12900k is about 77% faster in the passive tasks.

These sort of gains are centainly worth considering an upgrade.
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Interesting, I have not ran the Puget bench for LR as when I installed the plugin files and tried to run it it complained about not being able to find some file it was expecting to fetch so just did the next best thing and used LR how I normally do to compare against hence the timings.

With LR I think it goes beyond just the puget benches. A lot of factors come into play when in the develop module, the settings you have in the performance tab for GPU matter too for example as a lot of the develop module is now fully GPU accelerated, as well as GPU drivers being used etc.

For me both import, editing and exporting appear to be a huge leap faster. Clicking between edited RAW images in develop module is as quick as in the library module now and edits are applied from my presets list instantly as I hover over them to preview a preset over any image in develop module. These would take a few ms extra which could be noticed on the 6700K, not so any more!
 
mrk said:
I actually don't understand what you are saying there. MS Paint skills?! For me the build has been pretty much plain sailing. The XMP profile issue in the BIOS is not related to Alder Lake as it's something that crops up on various boards from time to time over the years. None of the games with scheduling issues are games I play either and Photoshop was just a rollback to the previous 2021 version so haven't actually missed out on anything there and Adobe can update to sort that out.

All things considered, new OS, new architecture and new chipsets all working so far so good I'd call a rather good success really. There have been no driver bugs for example that I have seen reported. Intel 600 series seems to be working really good for everyone.
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Wasting your time. Even if Intel had double the performance of AMD in every category, he would find a way of defending AMD and making it sound their product is better :p
 
TNA said:
Wasting your time. Even if Intel had double the performance of AMD in every category, he would find a way of defending AMD and making it sound their product is better :p
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Clearly he’s not. And I would be all over Alder lake if it was offering 2X the performance. You’re just upset over something and want to strawman because jigger bad :p

I was all set to buy a 12900K an Alder lake system to play with. IMO Alder lake with DDR5 just about offers enough performance to be interesting.
 
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scubes said:
Is it faster than wot you had? I can't overclock hopping it's gonna been quicker than my old 9700k @5.1.
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There is a sizeable increase in performance in everything that is noticeable yep. The minimum fps in Cyberpunk for example has gone right up, no more slowdowns at 2560x1080 (RTX 2070 Super so can't really play at 3440x1440 with RTX on as GPU limited) with Ultra settings RTX enabled.

General Windows 11 response is snappier too, not that 6700K was slow, but new media folders load noticeably quicker compared to a few ms whilst it loads the contents. It sounds like it's not much, just a few ms, but when you're working around the OS quickly moving files, working away etc it all becomes evident which CPU is 6 generations old lol.

All the while when not maxing out all cores, the CPU is only sipping small power. Gaming, Windows, normal usage etc is single digital power consumption as the CPU in games doesn't go above 35% utilisation. Factoring in exporting a batch of photos in Lightroom, the total average CPU package power use is 22 watts with a peak maximum of 181 watts during that export period when all 20 threads are maxed out. Power use in gaming is a double edged sword though because the RTX 2070 uses 200 watts when you fire up a game according to the nvidia OSD so whilst the CPU is efficient, the GFX isn't so much on the same field although to be fair in gaming the GPU is at 98% utilisation :p
 
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scubes said:
I no I have lol just waiting on all of it being sent to me lol...
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Threads in this forum. I’m not personally going to send you links. I’m sure Alder lake will come under some scrutiny as availability picks up. My firm will very likely sample Alder lake along with 3D Zen in Q1.
 
mrk said:
There is a sizeable increase in performance in everything that is noticeable yep. The minimum fps in Cyberpunk for example has gone right up, no more slowdowns at 2560x1080 (RTX 2070 Super so can't really play at 3440x1440 with RTX on as GPU limited) with Ultra settings RTX enabled.

General Windows 11 response is snappier too, not that 6700K was slow, but new media folders load noticeably quicker compared to a few ms whilst it loads the contents. It sounds like it's not much, just a few ms, but when you're working around the OS quickly moving files, working away etc it all becomes evident which CPU is 6 generations old lol.

All the while when not maxing out all cores, the CPU is only sipping small power. Gaming, Windows, normal usage etc is single digital power consumption as the CPU in games doesn't go above 35% utilisation. Factoring in exporting a batch of photos in Lightroom, the total average CPU package power use is 22 watts with a peak maximum of 181 watts during that export period when all 20 threads are maxed out. Power use in gaming is a double edged sword though because the RTX 2070 uses 200 watts when you fire up a game according to the nvidia OSD so whilst the CPU is efficient, the GFX isn't so much on the same field although to be fair in gaming the GPU is at 98% utilisation :p
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i had a 5670k i beleieve? so Like 1 gen below u and when i upgraded to a trheadripper 3960x last year, my system was night and day when editing photos and videos!!!

THis is why tend to not belly flop and jump every gen because u dont get that much performance boost and software also is slow to catch up on current up to date hardware.

I doubt my threadripper will limit me for a very long time.

I edit and process 50mp files for fun.
 
DDR4 is not going anywhere for at least 2 generations. Raptor Lake-S next year will still support it too and reading around, the uptake of DDR5 vs availability/pricing issues may well last longer than some think. So for low latency DDR4 owners, this is good news, can have at least 2 generations of Alder Lake (and maybe even beyond??) and still yielding great performance in gaming.
 
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