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Alder Lake-S leaks

Stock isn't plentiful, its mostly gone. OCUK haven't got any motherboards, and basically had a handful at best compared to the CPU's not what I'd call a smooth launch.

Well you clearly did not check our website before making that sweeping statement.

We have several Gigabyte models in stock along with a few MSI and Asrock models also.

More DDR5 is due this week along with more motherboards. :)
 
Well you clearly did not check our website before making that sweeping statement

When I checked you had one model in stock. How many did you have in launch day, since the conversation was surrounding the success and smoothness of the launch?

More DDR5 is due this week along with more motherboards

Are you allowed, or willing to give a percentage breakdown between this who bought a CPU/RAM combo with a board and what percentage went DDR5 vs DDR4. Be interesting to know how many people were willing to go fully new platform.
 
I wasn't willing to go the new platform for that reason of DDR 5 availability I knew it was going ot be low to almost non existent luckily I got everything on release day including a ****** Noctua cooler because I'm still waiting for Corsair and my screws for my Elite Capellix but up and running and this thing is so zippy I love it, Thought my 9700k was quick in Windows this is in another league lol.
 
I wasn't willing to go the new platform for that reason of DDR 5 availability I knew it was going ot be low to almost non existent luckily I got everything on release day including a ****** Noctua cooler because I'm still waiting for Corsair and my screws for my Elite Capellix but up and running and this thing is so zippy I love it, Thought my 9700k was quick in Windows this is in another league lol.

Just to add I ordered these standoffs from Corsairs website last Wednesday nearly a week later and still processing, I have never seen such an incompetent company as big as Corsair to not have no coolers neither no kits ready for a major launch, Just out of my own purchasing decisions in future I won't be touching anything from Corsair
 
When I checked you had one model in stock. How many did you have in launch day, since the conversation was surrounding the success and smoothness of the launch?



Are you allowed, or willing to give a percentage breakdown between this who bought a CPU/RAM combo with a board and what percentage went DDR5 vs DDR4. Be interesting to know how many people were willing to go fully new platform.


Well we have a few motherboard lines in stock now. :)

DDR5 we had 100 units in stock for launch, all Corsair and these all sold out very fast, but they were on sale pre-launch and people bought them all up, we limited to 2 kits per customers, so DDR5 has a strong uptake.
DDR4 is still proving popular as well.

We feel the crazy fast kits on DDR5 won't offer much in terms of performance due to the divider reducing performance. Same as when AMD launched Ryzen 3 they marketed how all of a sudden 4000MHz plus DDR4 speeds were possible, with lots of 4400MHz example, but due to the infinity fabric divider changing around 3700MHz there was little to no performance gain, in some applications performance dropped. As such the sweet spot was and still is 3600MHz with the tightest possible timings, why I had the 8 Pack 3600MHz C14 kit created which has sold several thousand units to date.

I feel 12th gen will be similar with the sweet spot for RAM speed been around 5200MHz with tightest possible timings, maybe 5600MHz, but the 6000MHz plus kits and yes we will be offering those but my advise is don't waste your money, in fact my advice is forget DDR5 as DDR4 3600MHz offers pretty much same performance. Of course I understand customers who want to future proof themselves somewhat by getting DDR5, but whilst you can easily pickup a DDR4 kit for around £50 for 16G or around £100 for 32GB, DDR5 right now is expensive and it will for sure get a lot cheaper next year.
 
Is there a queue system in place for orders ?

Well we try not to take back orders any more.
We have some DDR5 in stock right now, but it is just plain basic 4800MHz. Micron IC and its silly money.

Motherboards, several Gigabyte lines in stock and a few MSI lines, plus an Asrock.

All processors are in stock in plentiful quantities, Intel CPU launch is the best launch for last couple of years, around 2000 units for launch and we still have plenty of 5900K left which is the most popular selling. If AMD/NVIDIA did launches like this with such large amount of stock things would be a lot better, however make no mistake though demand is good on the 12th gen, demand for AMD Ryzen 3 was stronger at launch and demand for NVIDIA GPU's was like 100x fold stronger, so even if NVIDIA had dropped 5000 GPU's into us for launch it would not have impacted things as much, yes many people would not have had to wait so long but I think on day one launch for the 3000 series we sold like 10,000 GPU's in the first 48 hours.
 
Well they're be enough can you day mate?

Well we have little to no back orders, so when they go on sale will just be first come first served. To help forum members when more stock lands, I shall post in this thread before I place them on sale to give forum people a first dibs chance at them.
 
Well we have a few motherboard lines in stock now. :)

DDR5 we had 100 units in stock for launch, all Corsair and these all sold out very fast, but they were on sale pre-launch and people bought them all up, we limited to 2 kits per customers, so DDR5 has a strong uptake.
DDR4 is still proving popular as well.

We feel the crazy fast kits on DDR5 won't offer much in terms of performance due to the divider reducing performance. Same as when AMD launched Ryzen 3 they marketed how all of a sudden 4000MHz plus DDR4 speeds were possible, with lots of 4400MHz example, but due to the infinity fabric divider changing around 3700MHz there was little to no performance gain, in some applications performance dropped. As such the sweet spot was and still is 3600MHz with the tightest possible timings, why I had the 8 Pack 3600MHz C14 kit created which has sold several thousand units to date.

I feel 12th gen will be similar with the sweet spot for RAM speed been around 5200MHz with tightest possible timings, maybe 5600MHz, but the 6000MHz plus kits and yes we will be offering those but my advise is don't waste your money, in fact my advice is forget DDR5 as DDR4 3600MHz offers pretty much same performance. Of course I understand customers who want to future proof themselves somewhat by getting DDR5, but whilst you can easily pickup a DDR4 kit for around £50 for 16G or around £100 for 32GB, DDR5 right now is expensive and it will for sure get a lot cheaper next year.

High end kits once TUNED will be well ahead of what's out right now esp the low end micron kits currently out. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35220591/

I mean you get what you pay for. If you're budget oriented and something like a 600k + lower end ddr4 makes sense but If you can, higher end ddr4 at gear 1 will just scale better and perform accordingly. 4000-4200 G1 sync'd is fine even on lower end z690 boards.

We're nowhere near high end DDR5 but even that "decent" sk hynix vs micron example I linked above shows the scaling of ddr5. That's without samsung into the picture.
 
DDR5 we had 100 units in stock for launch, all Corsair and these all sold out very fast, but they were on sale pre-launch and people bought them all up, we limited to 2 kits per customers, so DDR5 has a strong uptake.
DDR4 is still proving popular as well

Wow, so 1000's of CPU's across the SKU's but at best 1/10 DDR5 kits. There must be a heck of a lot of people just sticking with DDR4, simply due to supply constraints.

I wonder how many people have just a CPU sat in a box and no board or RAM to complete the system.
 
Interesting results. I've been thinking about upgrading my existing desktop for a few years now (6900k with 2666 ram), but the marginal benefits have so far outweighed the cost.

This is my existing system: https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/view.php?id=55043
The only LR benchmark for a 12700k I could find: https://www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/view.php?id=61483

On the active score (mostly develop tab), the 12700k is 12% faster. I can't say this would make much difference, and might be barely noticable.

However, on the passive score, the 12700k is a massive 50% faster. This is mostly importing and building previews, and then exporting again. This must mean that LR is also using the smaller cores for these tasks in addition to the IPC increase over the years. After this year's BTCC weekend I came home with over 7k raw files, and it did take a loooong time to build 1:1 previews (1h+) after importing them (maybe 10-15 minutes to copy from the memory cards and import). I generally export in smaller batches of 150-300 at a time and not full size so these typically only take a couple of minutes. The 12900k is about 77% faster in the passive tasks.

These sort of gains are centainly worth considering an upgrade.

Just thought I'd update from my last comment on this as have just come back and imported 351 images from today's corporate shoot. The whole import and 1:1 preview generation process took about 2 mins no more than 3. I forgot to start the timer but it certainly wasn't more than 3 minutes.

Really really fast. On the 6700K I would normally just minimise Lightroom and browse YouTube for a bit as it taxed the 8 threads of that CPU but I didn't need to wait around on the 12700KF it was just too quick lol. All 20 threads were being used and the temp didn't go above 61 degrees.

Absolutely excellent.
 
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