Here we are again. You are comparing a flash sale 3600 prices against current 5600X prices.
We know you hate AMD for toppling Intel and Nvidia. Have you considered writing to AMD and TSMC and expressing your frustration?
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Here we are again. You are comparing a flash sale 3600 prices against current 5600X prices.
We know you hate AMD for toppling Intel and Nvidia. Have you considered writing to AMD and TSMC and expressing your frustration?
Organisation i work for wants to reduce its carbon footprint by 2025. We have approx 6000 users. If the CPU's in our equipment use less power and perform better then we will buy them. home users will say they don't worry about the power draw of their CPU but then forums suddenly get lots of posts saying by CPU runs at 90 degrees, what's going wrong?
The 3600 released at £200 while the 5600X released at £320, this is not a flash sale price but what they were going for at release in the uk.
I'm not bias towards either company but when AMD raise the price of their 6 core SKU by 50% while providing around 20% more performance then they need to be called out on it. Some people need to stop shilling and defending the price hikes.
Maybe you should be switching to Apple M1 chips then if you care about energy consumption.
Most of the high temp CPU posts on here are the related to the 5800X although personally mine doesn't have issues.
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Your organisation needs either some type of very low powered ARM PCs, or 7-15-watt Ryzen U.
Ryzen 5 5500U, for example?
Apple not an alternative product in an entirely microsoft eco system
We seem to of gone off topic from my original question which is why are people saying RIP AMD and Intel are back when currently Intel have nothing to compete with Threadripper and Epyc. They are also only now surpassing zen 3 which is a year old and will soon be replaced by Zen 3+ or 4 which ever it gets called. My point being it is far to early for these statements especially when a Mhz boost to Zen 3 which is very possible would wipe out a far margin of the purported gains plus 3d Cache is still an unknown variable
As has been said before many times over, the 3600 and 5600X are not the same category or node and TSMC have increased prices.
Well, if there are missing SKUs from the lineup, they are indeed the same category, it's a lie from the marketing to try to justify the price increase.
The 5600X is a rebranded 5600.
Yeah, Intel are a long way behind AMD. Nova Lake might see Intel back in the game, but first Intel need to find a direction and that will probably require a reorg.
The 5600X and 3600 are both 6 core 65w TDP chips and ship with the same cooler so are clearly the same category and while TSMCs prices have risen so would the yields to largely offset these rises.
I don’t think that’s the case. AMD’s desktop line up was probably seen as to complicated.
Yes, they need a 45-watt SKU as a Ryzen 5 5600 below the 65-watt Ryzen 5 5600X in order to justify it by saying, oh, we decreased the power consumption.
Well, they didn't but instead increased the pricing by 50%.!
Yes, they need a 45-watt SKU as a Ryzen 5 5600 below the 65-watt Ryzen 5 5600X in order to justify it by saying, oh, we decreased the power consumption.
Well, they didn't but instead increased the pricing by 50%.!
TSMC have just announced another price increase. Might be worth buying a Ryzen 5000 soonish.
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Do they?
Server market is at 10% ish currently but rising fast. Threadripper on the other hand is miles ahead
Pff, Puget Systems is only one retailer, in the same way Mindfactory in Germany sells over 78% Ryzens but that doesn't change the other statistics that show 80% for Intel CPUs.
In the overall market.
Yields compensating for the price increases is very very unlikely.
For Zen 2 on TSMC's 7nm, yields for fully functional complete 8 core dies would have been in the high 80s.
Even if that improved to the low 90s for Zen 3 that wouldn't really make up for increased wafer prices. The Zen 3 chiplet is bigger too. I'd say any increased yields were more than cancelled out by the increased die size.
Yields were around 70% when zen 2 went into production and now we're up into the 90s and that's accounting for the larger die so that would make quite a bit a difference.
In terms of price rise by TSMC, these dies cost like $20 to produce so a 20% increase is only $4 not the $100 we saw.
Again it's disappointing to see consumers defending price rises.
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No one is defending price hikes but the hikes were negligible to non existent on every model accept the 5600x, even then the degree of the hike is dependant on if you call it a a 3600 or 3600x successor. No one seems to be mentioning the fact that the Intel motherboards are overpriced with Z690 Gigabyte Master been approx £150 more than its X570 equivalent . AS wit anything prices were simple, if you wanted the newest and greatest you paid the price set by the manufacturer if not you bought the discunted previous Gen or the under performing competitor alternative. Do not for one second think Intel would not of hiked the prices even further if roles were reversed, history has proven this with Intel charging crazy money for virtual the same chip for the majority of the last decade