The 12900k will properly loose to the 5700G though.
I can see the headlines now. 5700G crushes 12900K by 70%!!!!!
RIP Intel, AMD in a rush to increase prices.
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The 12900k will properly loose to the 5700G though.
I can see the headlines now. 5700G crushes 12900K by 70%!!!!!
RIP Intel, AMD in a rush to increase prices.
All right. Next news will be - Mindfactory of Germany reports sales of desktop CPUs in December 2021: 95% Intel CPUs, 5% AMD CPUs.
This was not meant to generate a fanboy topic.
Despite being an Intel user since 1988 I applaud AMD's recent success and hope they will continue to be competitive as without them Intel would become complacent again.
Personally I will likely get ADL or its successor (depending on when GPUs prices will go back to sanity) but if I had to buy today I would probably go for a 5800x.
I did get Ryzen powered office PCs and low budget laptops for my friends and they are all happy with it so I think AMD is a valid choice (plus I've been an AMD GPU user since ATI times).
Perhaps some of you forgot the late 1990s, where we had PCs most revolutionary phase and substantial growth every year.
Back then we had several manufacturers both for x86 CPUs (remember cyrix?) and GPUs (remember S3 Virge or Matrox?) and you could seriously shop for prices and features.
That is what we should be wanting back as consumers, real choice and not a duopoly or even worse a semi-monopoly. Those are consumer goods, not football clubs.
Despite being an Intel user since 1988 I applaud AMD's recent success and hope they will continue to be competitive as without them Intel would become complacent again.
Personally I will likely get ADL or its successor (depending on when GPUs prices will go back to sanity) but if I had to buy today I would probably go for a 5800x.
I did get Ryzen powered office PCs and low budget laptops for my friends and they are all happy with it so I think AMD is a valid choice (plus I've been an AMD GPU user since ATI times).
Perhaps some of you forgot the late 1990s, where we had PCs most revolutionary phase and substantial growth every year.
Back then we had several manufacturers both for x86 CPUs (remember cyrix?) and GPUs (remember S3 Virge or Matrox?) and you could seriously shop for prices and features.
That is what we should be wanting back as consumers, real choice and not a duopoly or even worse a semi-monopoly. Those are consumer goods, not football clubs.
While it maybe a closer battle at the higher end between the 5950X and 12900k it is the lower end that's really going to be shook up with the 12600k priced at £250 but offering more multithreaded than the 5800X and the 12700k besting the 5900X but priced around a 5800X while also having better single core performance.
The thing with Zen 3 was while it offered better single core performance the price rises meant the multicore performance was actually worse than Zen 2 at any given price point on the 6 and 8 core parts. You had a 5600X which lost to a 3700X in multicore while costing virtually the same and a 5800X losing to a 3900X while again being around the same price.
Now ironically it's Intel which is restoring the price performance gains we should have got with zen 3 and going even further.
The thing with Zen 3 was while it offered better single core performance the price rises meant the multicore performance was actually worse than Zen 2 at any given price point on the 6 and 8 core parts. You had a 5600X which lost to a 3700X in multicore while costing virtually the same and a 5800X losing to a 3900X while again being around the same price.
Now ironically it's Intel which is restoring the price performance gains we should have got with zen 3 and going even further.
if it was losing, then not by much.
IPC is a wonderful thing.
Lets cheer Intel during their 5 minutes of fame until Zen 4 is out.
I havent seen any prices being slashed in half but AMD every year about 1 year after launch have dropped prices of their current line up. you seem to hate AMD but use a 5900X? No one is trolling you mate but you keep banging on about AMD prices but seem to forget Intels history with insane pricing. Before proclaiming Intel the best ever wait a couple months for zen3+/Zen 4 and we will see what the landscape looks like then. As it stands i dont think meeting a year old chip while need a nuclear reactor to power it is to much to bang on about
Really?!
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Final Words
Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison; not a single one. In many cases, the $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 actually outperformed Intel's previous champ: the Pentium Extreme Edition 965. In one day, Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete. Intel's Core 2 processors offer the sort of next-generation micro-architecture performance leap that we honestly haven't seen from Intel since the introduction of the P6.
Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance. The Core 2 Extreme X6800, Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600 were pretty consistently in the top 3 or 4 spots in each benchmark, with the E6600 offering better performance than AMD's FX-62 flagship in the vast majority of benchmarks. Another way of looking at it is that Intel's Core 2 Duo E6600 is effectively a $316 FX-62, which doesn't sound bad at all.
We're still waiting to get our hands on the E6400 as it may end up being the best bang for your buck, but even the slower E6300 is quite competitive with AMD's X2 4200+ and X2 3800+. If AMD drops the price on those two parts even more than we're expecting, then it may be able to hold on to the lower end of the performance mainstream market as the E6300 is not nearly as fast as the E6600.
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Final Words - Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back (anandtech.com)
I fail to understand why you even posted that, how long ag was that??? How much was Intel charging for a 10 core CPU prior to ZEN being released, did you forget that??
Yes, I forgot that. It was because AMD had slept for a decade, remember Bulldozer's abysmal performance?!
Arguing with you is near impossible, its like you always have to be right and no one else's opinions matter. I want to add you to the ignore list (you'd be my first) but at the same time your comments are so ridiculous at times i enjoy the humour value
A loss is still a loss and not great when newer parts are supposed to be faster than what was available previously at the same prices.
Zen 4 will be competing against Raptorlake, not Alderlake and is not due out for another year so a while to wait and Raptorlake is again increasing core counts so unless AMD plan on increasing core counts themselves then a 6/12 6600X isn't going to stack up well against a 14 core 13600k
It’s not going to be a 14c chip though. Not in the proper sense anyway. 6+8 is more akin to multiple layers of hyper threading.
I’d love to know how think it will stack up…
Joxen has been arguing that IPC beats core so hard to put people off core counts for soo long
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Yeah, because you sound like an AMD employee always trying to protect its viewpoint and never that of the customer.
Who does actually care about the Customer?
There will be a Zen 3 refresh before then (Zen3+) with 3D cache and i guess higher clocks. Lets see what happens then
No just not as blind as you to the bigger picture. Organisations have shareholders to answer to as well as customers, considering AMDs growth margins in the last few years the customer on the whole is very happy with the product. FYI in my house i have 3 systems. 1 AMD 2 Intel, i am currently waiting to see the actual review benchmarks before upgrading 1 of the 2 Intel PC's. If Alderlake is good i will upgrade it that but i will also factor in the increased price of the motherboard and power consumption
Joxen. No wait, that’s definitely wrong… erm Nvidia… no Nvidia don’t care either… Intel, yeah Intel care about customers because they don’t have any
I like this post, made me chuckleJoxen. No wait, that’s definitely wrong… erm Nvidia… no Nvidia don’t care either… Intel, yeah Intel care about customers because they don’t have any
I know that the organisations are greedy. What you don't say is that there is another way of doing that business. AMD made mistakes in the past, it will in the future. No one can say AMD is perfect today.
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me tooI like this post, made me chuckle
... always been a blue myself but AMD have had a 'reasonable' few years?