It's like 1995 all over again. Some 3D games, please?!
How about improving the existing architecture instead of slapping more L3 meaningless cache because we have run out of better ideas!
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It's like 1995 all over again. Some 3D games, please?!
How about improving the existing architecture instead of slapping more L3 meaningless cache because we have run out of better ideas!
3D stacking is the holy grail of silicon chips.
The 12900K was never going to be £440, £300 for the 12700K and £200 for the 12600K? these are huge dies, Intel would be giving them away at that, in the last few years Intel's margins have fallen from 65% to 56%, with AMD's margins approaching 50% Intel will be desperate not to fall any further because margins is how investors judge the health of a company.
The extra cost of PCI-E 5 and DDR5 maybe?
Aren't they all PCIe 5 / DDR5?
fair point, still on the fence with this new chip. Will be intels first consumer mainstream chiplet design for the masses, im wondering whether to wait for the next gen for things to get ironed out and cheaper DDR5 of course.3D stacking is the holy grail of silicon chips.
The 12900K was never going to be £440, £300 for the 12700K and £200 for the 12600K? these are huge dies, Intel would be giving them away at that, in the last few years Intel's margins have fallen from 65% to 56%, with AMD's margins approaching 50% Intel will be desperate not to fall any further because margins is how investors judge the health of a company.
Also the problem of getting a hold of a bracket to accommodate my waterblock to fit the Alderlake cpu and if it would even be big enough to cover the ihs?
Im not sure TBH. Seems to be some confusion around what configuration Intel will use.
No, it wouldn't but it might not have to as i doubt the die under the IHS is so big the cold plate isn't big enough to cover it, which is all you need.
My AIO has an off set mounting option, specifically for Ryzen, the CPU chiplets are off set to one side under the IHS, so the idea being the centre of the fin stack on the cold plate is centralised over the CPU chiplets, it leaves one side of the IHS exposed but its been tested and proven to work by Steve Burke, if only by a few degrees cooler, it still works.
As for upgrading, i'm glad i have an 8 core Zen 3 now because i think CPU's and their ancillaries are going to get quite expensive from here on forward, including Zen 4. I have enough CPU Horse Power to wait a few years for lower end CPU to become so fast its worth upgrading from what i have now, i do think Zen 4 / Zen 5 and Intel equivalents are going to be a bit of an explosion in performance.
Same with GPU's, at least from Nvidia and AMD.
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If they are getting 15% extra performance on average from stacking the cache how can it be meaningless? Stacking the chiplets will be next
What would you like to see happen to the existing architecture exactly?
"What would you like to see happen to the existing architecture exactly?"
Slow down man hold your horses this is way too much advancement way too fast for me to ridicule......
Lol, i thought it was a reasonable question....
Don't forget when zen 3 released the prices were £900 5950X £750 5900X £500 5800X £350 5600X so it's probably some retailer scalping.
Paid £750 for my 5950X first week of December last year which was MRSP, some stores were charging a "premium" though
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Same price today on OCUK, so is my 10850K bought last Sept £420
Don't i know it, i paid £440 for this 5800X.
Yes i'm part of the problem, i know, but i just couldn't wait.
Probably due to its performance VS AMD, with the i7 matching or beating the ryzen 9 5900x it can be priced high
Right....
I know I'm right, that's why I said it
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Better not to engage. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
I don't think they are massive, bigger definitely thou, pictures of the socket have been leaked, and it shows it's just expanded down a bit, because they can't make it any bigger and keep it square shaped as it would advance towards the memory slots, I guess that's why Xeon and TR are that shape too, I mean they have only added another 500 pins, so what's that %35-%40 bigger?