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Alder Lake-S leaks

SeeNoWeevil said:
The idea of flagship products being 'futureproof' is kinda BS imo. Most people who buy the absolute best aren't going to tolerate subsequent models (including midrange) making their once top-tier product look like a potato and will be dumping it for the new hotness asap.
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It is the opposite, actually.
When you don't invest in the best, but rather buy the minimum crap out there as is the case with Ryzen 5 5600X, you certainly will need an upgrade much sooner.
People who buy the fastest not always spend another large sum of money just months later.

It is a wise investment, which you don't understand.

Joxeon said:
The game was bugged, with the Fix applied the 5600X is faster than a 3950X.

No doubt the zen 4 6600X or whatever it's called will be faster than the 5950X in games.
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The game was cheated with a patch which was unnecessary.
I don't see if the patch was applied to raise the performance of all the models, or just particular to look not as bad.

The Ryzen 9 3950X is almost double the performance in normal applications:


PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 3950X - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)


PassMark - AMD Ryzen 5 5600X - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)
 
4K8KW10 said:
It is the opposite, actually.
When you don't invest in the best, but rather buy the minimum crap out there as is the case with Ryzen 5 5600X, you certainly will need an upgrade much sooner.
People who buy the fastest not always spend another large sum of money just months later.

It is a wise investment, which you don't understand.
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For the price of a 3950X you could have bought a 3700X then a 5800X which would give you a faster PC for gaming
 
Joxeon said:
For the price of a 3950X you could have bought a 3700X then a 5800X which would give you a faster PC for gaming
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That's not true. The more-cores CPUs give higher minimum framerates, and much higher protection against micro-stutter caused by over-ultilization of the available threads.
 
4K8KW10 said:
That's not true. The more-cores CPUs give higher minimum framerates, and much higher protection against micro-stutter caused by over-ultilization of the available threads.
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Both the 5600X and 5800X have better average and minimum vs the 3950X and the same will happen to the 5950X when the 6 and 8 core Zen 4 releases.
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Flagship products being better future proofed is just rubbish, and always has been. They excel within a very slim and specific set of circumstances, and are often bettered by mid range parts that follow for a substantial price difference.

Love the idea that the 5600x is ‘minimum crap’ yet is often a better gaming CPU than the absolute highest end part from last generation.
 
Danger Bri said:
I buy constantly. Unlike the types of people on here who are in fact bad for Overclockers UK business. People are advised to not buy, don’t do this, don’t waste money on that. I’d ban the lot of you’s. The R2D2’s on this forum think they know more than the people that design this tech. The type of people that stand around in Overclockers talking about things they can’t or won’t buy. Just buy something or get out. Especially if you are going to put off paying customers.
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Take a chill pill sweetheart you’ll blow something and that would be silly. It takes all sorts to make a forum and often the faceless boy or girl on the internet keeps you alive, pays your wages, flys you on holiday, emptied your bins or spends more on trinkets than you spend on houses. Never diss the masses, you can be made to look silly old boy.
 
Grim5 said:
that game is very sensitive to ram, so it will be interesting to see what affect DDR5 has
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Ah I am keeping my DDR4, 32GB Corsair 3600MHz CL18. I have heard that running RAM at CL16 can get better performance though but of course would likely need to speed them down to 3200MHz?
 
Joxeon said:
For the price of a 3950X you could have bought a 3700X then a 5800X which would give you a faster PC for gaming
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Why do you guys continue to engage with this guy, the amount of misinformation he spew’s out is crazy.
 
PSA Alert: Air cooler warning

Like me you may have noticed that the VRM heatsink a on z690 boards are massively tall and thick.

And what we now know is this is a big problem for some air coolers.

For example:most of Noctua air coolers cannot be used on ASUS z690 boards because of the large VRM heat sinks getting in the way

So for those who like air coolers, pick your motherboard very carefully because like Noctua, chances are that many other brand air coolers also are not compatible with some z690 boards. Looks like AIO coolers are the go to option if you want gauranteed compatible for CPU cooling until companies like Noctua redesign new air coolers for this

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/qj61xq/asus_bad_z690_heatsink_design_means_poor_cooler/
 
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Something else I came across recently.

HUB put out a new Q and A today and one of the questions was: I just bought a RX6800 and it's bottlenecked, should I change from 2600x to 5600x now or wait to which the reply was: Wait because the 5600x may be under $200 in a couple weeks.

indirectly suggesting that the alder lake CPUs HUB is currently benchmarking are fantastic for gaming
 
Yeah that's just dumb Asus with compatibility issues with too high VRM heatsinsks, it is not Noctua's problem. It's the below motherboards only, all Asus.

ASUS ROG Strix B660-I Gaming
Mechanically incompatible due to height of the VRM heatsink
ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4
Mechanically incompatible due to height of the VRM heatsink
ASUS ROG Strix Z690-E Gaming WiFi
Mechanically incompatible due to height of the VRM heatsink
ASUS ROG Strix Z690-F Gaming WiFi
Mechanically incompatible due to height of the VRM heatsink
ASUS ROG Strix Z690-I Gaming WiFi D4
Mechanically incompatible due to height of the VRM heatsink
 
4K8KW10 said:
That's not true. The more-cores CPUs give higher minimum framerates, and much higher protection against micro-stutter caused by over-ultilization of the available threads.
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Minimums are not dependent on core count. My 8 core 8 thread 9700k CPU has higher minimums than my 16 core 32 thread 3950X in the vast majority of games.

(While I've got your attention 4K8KW10 I'm still waiting for your 'proof' of how 4K shows more on the screen than 1080p in reply to my proof here https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35111565.)

Sometimes I just have to call you out, correct your misinformation and not let it go as there is chance somebody might actually think what you are saying is correct and make a grave error in judgement because of it.
 
V F said:
Indeed. I never had micro stutter when I was gaming on an i7 3770K. 4 cores there. If there is micro stutter, then there is something else wrong in the system.
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:cry:

Maybe you also believe that the Earth was flat.

Seriously, there is nothing wrong with Windows' processes and background services.

If you haven't noticed micro-stuttering, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist :D

Microstutter: What it is and how to fix it | PC Gamer

"There's not much you can do with games that include a framerate cap, especially if that cap is linked to physics, AI, network code, or other elements—that's generally not the 'right' way to code a game engine, but that's a different topic. You can try lowering your quality settings, in the hope of seeing less frequent dropped frames and stutter, but even that doesn't always work. The more expensive solution is to throw hardware at the problem."
 
MartinPrince said:
Minimums are not dependent on core count. My 8 core 8 thread 9700k CPU has higher minimums than my 16 core 32 thread 3950X in the vast majority of games.

(While I've got your attention 4K8KW10 I'm still waiting for your 'proof' of how 4K shows more on the screen than 1080p in reply to my proof here https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35111565.)

Sometimes I just have to call you out, correct your misinformation and not let it go as there is chance somebody might actually think what you are saying is correct and make a grave error in judgement because of it.
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Half of what he posts is misinformation, he just does not realise it. When called out he reply’s saying something silly like your are trolling or just disappears for a day or two then carry’s on like nothing happened. Tried to explain to him what confirmation bias is, also the Dunning-Kruger effect but he ignores it. He is happy to go find info online that supports his feelings, but that is not hard, I can search for flat earth stuff and find lots of “evidence” online also :p

Just for the record 4K8K. We are not trying to attack you or anything like that. But you need to understand, if you post stuff that makes no sense, people will call you out on it, nothing personal ;)

Just noticed your reply above mine 4K8K, as usual you ignore people who challenge you. Your ignore list must be huge.
 
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