Alex Jones..

I suspect that Jones may have gotten more ongoing vocal hate but only because he was actively harming the grieving families on a daily basis, whilst the killer killed himself 11 years ago
Sure, but as you've said, this is a suspicion and not straight up facts.

I would argue Alex Jones has got far less hate then the killers. I'm sure if you label on 1-10 how bad Alex Jones was, and then how bad the killer was, I'm willing to bet the hate would be higher for the killer.

But roar speaks facts and happy for him to show where his facts come from.
 
Caught the last 10 minutes of the Twitter Spaces with Alex Jones. Good to see he's unbanned, he's been apologising for the Sandy Hook thing for about 4 years. Like I've said previously, the person who actually did the shooting has got less hate than Alex Jones.

The man is scum, he preyed on the parents who's children were gunned down and he did it for $ and fame. He's not as bad as the gunman but he isn't far behind.
 
It'll be interesting which side of the big issue of the day, Israel/Palestine, he supports.

He has a lot of support from the Muslim community, and sadly many Muslims are buying in to the old conspiracy theories that he's promoted.

I remember years ago, in the naughties, out in town and the local Muslim radio station was playing, Crescent Radio. I was surprised to find they were broadcasting his daily 3 hour shows each night.
 
I suspect that Jones may have gotten more ongoing vocal hate but only because he was actively harming the grieving families on a daily basis, whilst the killer killed himself 11 years ago.

They are both utter scum, but one has been dead for over a decade and the other has very deliberately continued his campaign of profitable harassment pretty much every day. It takes a special type of scum to murder kids, but another special kind of scum to set out to profit from that by continuing to hurt the relatives of those kids.

It's concerning that you're equating a literal child killer to someone who runs a conspiracy theory show and said something wrong and then later apologised for it. It isn't like he said this one thing directed at them, he's spoke about countless conspiracies, some of them actually turned out to be correct.
 
It's concerning that you're equating a literal child killer to someone who runs a conspiracy theory show and said something wrong and then later apologised for it.

You make it sound like he mentioned Sandy Hook once. Alex Jones led a multi-year campaign, regularly declaring Sandy Hook to be a hoax. Several families – already grieving their dead children – had to move home due to the harassment.

And now he’s doing everything he can, legal and illegal, to not pay up in the defamation cases that he’s lost. So much for being sorry.
 
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You make it sound like he mentioned Sandy Hook once. Alex Jones led a multi-year campaign, regularly declaring Sandy Hook to be a hoax. Several families – already grieving their dead children – had to move home due to the harassment.

And now he’s doing everything he can, legal and illegal, to not pay up in the defamation cases that he’s lost. So much for being sorry.

Okay, but if Alex Jones believed that then he should be allowed to say it. It turned out he was wrong, he's apologised. People are allowed to say things and be wrong, even if those things are stupid. What's actually worrying is equating stupid man saying stupid things to evil man killing nearly a dozen children.
 
Okay, but if Alex Jones believed that then he should be allowed to say it. It turned out he was wrong, he's apologised. People are allowed to say things and be wrong, even if those things are stupid. What's actually worrying is equating stupid man saying stupid things to evil man killing nearly a dozen children.

As I said, this is not something he said once in passing. Without any evidence, he went on hour-long rants watched by millions about how the grieving parents were crisis actors for years.

That isn’t free speech, it’s defamation. It had real-world consequences for his victims. They had to move house and lived in constant fear because he whipped his fans into an angry frenzy.

And saying that you’re sorry is not the same as being sorry. He doesn’t want to pay his victims a single cent and he’s still making wildly dangerous and baseless claims. He’s learnt nothing.
 
It's concerning that you're equating a literal child killer to someone who runs a conspiracy theory show and said something wrong and then later apologised for it. It isn't like he said this one thing directed at them, he's spoke about countless conspiracies, some of them actually turned out to be correct.
He wasn't "equating" them, he was explaining why one got more abuse than the other.

Do you think it would be helpful and healthy to constantly post about perpetrators of evil crimes once they are incarcerated? It just brings them further notoriety, which a lot of them crave.

Whereas calling out the actions of an absolute grifter who has made up stories that awful crimes were fake and the parents were crisis actors is completely fair.

Imagine someone very close to you died of cancer, and then whilst you were grieving I started a campaign saying you were lying about that and got loads of people to believe that you were lying about that. Would that be fine because 'Freedom of speech'?
 
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Okay, but if Alex Jones believed that then he should be allowed to say it. It turned out he was wrong, he's apologised. People are allowed to say things and be wrong, even if those things are stupid. What's actually worrying is equating stupid man saying stupid things to evil man killing nearly a dozen children.

Actually people who say things they know are lies end up in court because the 1st amendment does not protect your speech from deformation or libel/slander. He lied about the parents for years. Some had to move multiple times to avoid his deranged fans. He caused further pain and suffering to people who had already suffered pain and suffering that no parent should suffer. And here you are claiming its fine because he said sorry when forced to to try and avoid losing the $ he made from further ruining their lives. The man is human scum, not quite on the level of the actual murderer but he's just behind him. You do choose some very odd people to defend.
 
It's concerning that you're equating a literal child killer to someone who runs a conspiracy theory show and said something wrong and then later apologised for it. It isn't like he said this one thing directed at them, he's spoke about countless conspiracies, some of them actually turned out to be correct.

A apologly he later walked back when he addressed his audience.
 
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Imagine someone very close to you died of cancer, and then whilst you were grieving I started a campaign saying you were lying about that and got loads of people to believe that you were lying about that. Would that be fine because 'Freedom of speech'?
IMO? Yes it should be, legally speaking. I don't know exactly where I stand ref libel/slander/defamation vs free speech but it certainly isn't a black and white issue.
 
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It's concerning that you're equating a literal child killer to someone who runs a conspiracy theory show and said something wrong and then later apologised for it. It isn't like he said this one thing directed at them, he's spoke about countless conspiracies, some of them actually turned out to be correct.
No

I'm explaining why people will think and refer to Jones a lot more than the killer.

Jones literally made it his business to be in the public eye spewing his nonsense and harassing the parents and relatives of the dead every day on his show for personal profit, so people are reminded of his special kind of loathsomeness on a regular basis, the killer on the other hand has rightly had his name largely forgotten even if we haven't forgotten what he did.
It's the difference between you constantly stubbing your toe on a daily basis for years, and the fading memory of a broken leg a decade ago.

I'd rate the killer a solid 9 out of ten on the loathsome scale, but i'm not reminded about him on a regular basis, on the other hand Alex jones has been a constant scum for decades coming up with new and unpleasant ways to grift and doing it with the full knowledge that it's fake and that it is actively causing harm.
A hundred year ago before the FDA Jones would have been going around hawking bottles of sugar water as miracle cures to people with dying children* or if not selling fake "cures" then rousing the local mob to go and lynch an oap for being a witch who has caused a cows milk to dry up or some disabled person for the disappearance of a child.

And lol "some of the countless conspiracies have turned out to be correct", how many?
I mean he's like (a dollar store) Nostradamus in some ways, he spews out so much often vague nonsense it would be a wonder if at least one or two of his hundreds didn't turn out, purely by chance to have a grain of truth, but that's a byproduct of throwing so much fecal matter out that some of it accidentally turns out to stick.That's not someone "speaking the truth" that's someone lying and spouting so much nonsense that he's bound to get at least one hit in a while.
I mean I can throw a £50 note randomly on the table at roullette and win once if I do it often enough, but it doesn't mean i'm an expert player, had any idea of what I was doing or can repeat it.


*He is actually doing the modern equivalent version of that to the hard of thinking with his various "supplements" that when you look at them are often containing the very things he'll go on an hour long rant about the government using to control the people/make men less manly (IIRC he does massive rants about soy like many of his right wing grifter ilk, then sells supplements that have large amounts of it in and his rubes are too stupid to read the ingredient list of the "anti soy" supplement they've just bought).
 
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As I said, this is not something he said once in passing. Without any evidence, he went on hour-long rants watched by millions about how the grieving parents were crisis actors for years.

He definitely did, he's also apologised around 500 times over the past 4-5 years for that.

That isn’t free speech, it’s defamation. It had real-world consequences for his victims. They had to move house and lived in constant fear because he whipped his fans into an angry frenzy.

I don't buy this whole "whipped his fans into an angry frenzy", fans/people are responsible for their own actions. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe he told anyone to go to their house and harass them, there was no call to actions, so people are accountable for their own actions.

And saying that you’re sorry is not the same as being sorry. He doesn’t want to pay his victims a single cent and he’s still making wildly dangerous and baseless claims. He’s learnt nothing.

I mean personally I think he is genuinely sorry, any reason you don't? He sounds sorry, he sounded sorry in 2019 when I heard him apologise on Joe Rogan and he sounded sorry last night in December 2023 when I heard him apologise on the Twitter Spaces. The problem is that the judge ordered him to pay $1.5bn, this isn't an actual sane amount of money for him, it simply bankrupts him and puts him in a position where he can't pay anything.
 
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