Caporegime
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Why would I/we care if Young Turks got de-platformed?
Are you being denied his shows if they are on his website?
Are you being denied his shows if they are on his website?
No ones asking you too however the people who do enjoy AJ and/or the shows various contributors and guests are being actively denied.
I think the best solution is to find other social media sites and let the current social media self censors themselves out of existance.
Crack on, the fewer Alex Jones types (or supporters of) on the mainstream social media and video networks, the better it'll be for the rest of us.
Like i said earlier nothing stopping you guys from boycotting youtube, just dont expect everyone else to join you.
Crack on, the fewer Alex Jones types (or supporters of) on the mainstream social media and video networks, the better it'll be for the rest of us.
Any comparison between an ISP/Telecoms company and Twitter/Facebook/YouTube is fatally flawed on several levels.
It seems there are an element in the thread who can't get past Alex Jones and look at the bigger picture. I don't think there is much point trying to talk to them.
The "bigger picture" fundamentally is that if you break their rules, they have the right to boot you off their service. You've agreed to those rules when signing up or by continuing to use and pay for the service, and you're free to find a provider that doesn't impose such rules if you so desire.
If you both had bothered to read my previous posts you would know I don't like Alex Jones and not listened to him in years. The only time in the last 5 years I've seen his name mentioned is when it popped up that he was being kicked off all social media.
It seems there are an element in the thread who can't get past Alex Jones and look at the bigger picture.
The only small but significant issue I have is when you break the rules that you should be told you have broke rule, for example 1. G. - hate speech - because of this video and min/sec in. They do that very thing if you breach a copyright in your video.
I think even on facebook and twitter they sometimes give no reason why an account gets banned.
I'm sure if me or you made a channel that we'd put in hundreds of hours of footage or posts in to it and suddenly we logged in later on and its gone with no chance of it returning even when we emailed the site I'm sure we'd be very annoyed.
In the political world if you join a party and are removed for no reason you can take them to court for not following their own procedures. There are many cases of this.
If you sign up to the terms and conditions then don't you think those T&C be enforced fairly and properly? That they should be applied the same to everyone?
The "bigger picture" fundamentally is that if you break their rules, they have the right to boot you off their service. You've agreed to those rules when signing up or by continuing to use and pay for the service, and you're free to find a provider that doesn't impose such rules if you so desire.
I think I agree with Jordan Peterson's analysis, in that now these social media companies have stepped in and decided to become the arbiters of what is and what is not allowed
They are the arbiters of what is and what is not allowed ON THEIR OWN PLATFORM and nowhere else. Alex Jones is not in any way (and rightly so) having his right to free speech taken away from him.
What you seem to be proposing, is that anyone with a website should be allowed to host any content, even if said content is hate speech and threats. That is ridiculous. The fact is, is that Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter can rightly decide what is and what is not hosted on their own website (within the law, and in terms of not being discriminatory).
I assume you're fine with Alex Jones being banned, whilst Antifa post all they like - and use those platforms to organise riots and other such things?
I think that content should be allowed provided it doesn't break the law [which would include types of hate speech and threats]. If Alex Jones has broken then law then he should be blocked/removed - but as far as I can tell he hasn't,
I don't class OCUK censoring swearwords as being a competing argument, merely keeping things family friendly by removing swearwords, isn't de-platforming people, there have been many crazy people filling threads with conspiracy theory nonsense and even posts containing racism by people like a certain Mr Wilson, but they've not been removed.
Not at all. Is it even true though? Do Antifa publically call for and organise riots on these platforms?
If so, I would have thought publically calling for people to break the law and incite violence would be against their terms, so they should be banned also.
Then you haven't been paying attention. He got banned from Apple and Facebook for breaking their hate speech policies.
It isn't as if they just banned him straight away either. He made repeated violations and had warnings.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/06/apple-pulls-alex-jones-infowars-podcasts-for-hate-speech.html
What? Alex Jones would have been banned on OCUK in an instant if he posted here, what he posts on other social media platforms.
Jones was banned from Youtube for cyberbullying and harassment. You would get banned from here for the same thing i'm sure.
Yeah there are loads of them, many of which are country specific - but they do contain information about marches, protests, where they're occurring etc, (once you dig through all the other stuff) they've also been the subject of front page global news on a number of occasions, so it's not exactly 'under the radar' so to speak...
https://twitter.com/antifa_riot?lang=en
https://twitter.com/antifausa?lang=en
Of course, we're all able to read between the lines - when they say a protest, or march - we all know exactly what they're angling for (a good punch up)
Even more interesting, is how those large social media and tech companies are jam packed to the rafters with hard left employees, (I work in tech, frequently in Los Angles, San Jose and that area - I have many friends at Facebook, Twitter, Google etc - they're very left leaning organisations, to the point where I think it's become unbalanced) maybe just maybe, that has some influence in how those Ts & Cs are enforced...?
I repeat; did Alex Jones break the law? Was he arrested and charged with any offences? Because as far as I can tell he's only ever been arrested once in his life - a misdemeanour for using a megaphone without a permit.
It's difficult to know, and why the whole OCUK comparison to a social media platform like Facebook is a poor comparison, OCUK isn't really compatible with the sorts of things that Alex Jones does or says, he's basically a TV show that screams nonsense and sells snake oil, you can't really do that on here - the best he could do would be to post nasty things, and as I've pointed out - many people have posted nasty things on here and not been banned, including racist and homophobic things - they're still here though, they just didn't use swear words or threaten individual members.