Aliens whats your view?

Mik3 · 15 May 2008 at 14:44

Tefal said:
they think some of Jupiter's(?) moons may have life under the ice (if theres water down there) but unless there are large underground lakes/seas/ small puddles then there is little chance. And no chance of any intelligent life.

I believe your referring to Europa? A frozen moon orbiting Jupiter that might have liquid water beneath its surface. If life exists somewhere else in our Solar system this if one of the best places to look.

Glaucus · 15 May 2008 at 14:50

Curio said:
wow, way to whitewash over the whole incident. You'll be talking about marsh gas and venus next.

A huge triangular craft flew over Phoenix. Could have been military, could have been alien, could have been a brilliant hoax. But all those people didn't imagine it.

I never said they imagined it I said they miss interpreted what they saw. Which is very likely.

I'm not whitewashing over anything. But none of these videos, sightings, radar siganutres proof aliens. All it shows is something that is either secret or unexplained.

Energize · 15 May 2008 at 14:56

Tefal said:
well the solar system is an incredibly tiny place and iirc we have already sent a probe out of our system quite a few years ago.

Although i don't think we'll get manned extra solar missions till we invent big ships in which people would live their whole lives for generations or some form of cryogenics.

That or FTL/equivalent.

No need for cryogenics/ftl travel because time slows down when you approach the speed of light meaning you can travel pretty much anywhere in an instant.

Glaucus · 15 May 2008 at 14:58

Energize said:
No need to be able to travel faster than the speed of light because time slows down when you approach it meaning you can travel pretty much anywhere in an instant.

BUt it's only relative isn't it? it you would still age at the same rate. It's just the time you have been flying and *** time the rest of the universe is in. Will be diffrent.

Tefal · 15 May 2008 at 14:59

no, time slows down for you.

So it will still take you 100 light years to get there just for you it would be less not an instant it would still be many many years.

Also at those speeds you're royally ****ed if even something small gets in your way.

Mik3 · 15 May 2008 at 14:59

AcidHell2 said:
All it shows is something that is either secret or unexplained.

Indeed. Also a lot of sightings sound like their describing the US B-2 'flying wing'

uber soldat · 15 May 2008 at 15:04

If they turned up in the UK the government would surely house them for free and let them claim benefits

Glaucus · 15 May 2008 at 15:05

Mik3 said:
Indeed. Also a lot of sightings sound like their describing the US B-2 'flying wing'

yep or the B-x what ever new version they undoubtedly will be trialling. Why are they usually sighted near military bases,

Blue Cypher · 15 May 2008 at 15:11

uber soldat said:
If they turned up in the UK the government would surely house them for free and let them claim benefits

Quoted for truth

Energize · 15 May 2008 at 15:11

Tefal said:
no, time slows down for you.

So it will still take you 100 light years to get there just for you it would be less not an instant it would still be many many years.

It wouldn't be many many years if you were travelling close enough to light speed as long as you had a suitable method of propulsion to accelerate you, the time dilation factor increases exponentially.

Imo, relativistic travel is the only feasable method of interstellar travel that is proven to work.

Glaucus · 15 May 2008 at 15:15

Energize said:
It wouldn't be many many years if you were travelling close enough to light speed as long as you had a suitable method of propulsion to accelerate you, the time dilation factor increases exponentially.

But surly it's relative?
So it would still take you one hundred years and you would still die and have to raise children in that time. But for the people on earth 1000 years would have passed. Or something like that.

Energize · 15 May 2008 at 15:18

AcidHell2 said:
But surly it's relative?
So it would still take you one hundred years and you would still die and have to raise children in that time. But for the people on earth 1000 years would have passed. Or something like that.

Yes it's relative and everyone you knew would be dead. But it doesn't need to take 100 years for you, when you reach close to the speed of light, you can travel pretty much anywhere instantly from your perspective. It would take less than a year to reach reasonable travel speeds at human surviveable accelerations.

Glaucus · 15 May 2008 at 15:19

Energize said:
Yes it's relative and everyone you knew would be dead. But it doesn't need to take 100 years for you, when you reach close to the speed of light, you can travel pretty much anywhere instantly from your perspective.

Any chance you can try explaining this. I thought it would still take you a 100 years just that from an outside view it would be different.

Energize · 15 May 2008 at 15:22

AcidHell2 said:
Any chance you can try explaining this. I thought it would still take you a 100 years just that from an outside view it would be different.

Well if you travelled at lightspeed (obviously not possible) to the nearest solar system for example, no time would have passed for you, and 4 years would have passed on the outside, if you travel at near the speed of light as little as a few seconds would have passed for you, while just over 4 years would have passed on the outside.

Mik3 · 15 May 2008 at 15:30

And light would still leave you at 299,792,458 m/s

Glaucus · 15 May 2008 at 15:34

Energize said:
Well if you travelled at lightspeed (obviously not possible) to the nearest solar system for example, no time would have passed for you, and 4 years would have passed on the outside, if you travel at near the speed of light as little as a few seconds would have passed for you, while just over 4 years would have passed on the outside.

I see this explains it with a bit more maths but still understandable.

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q917.html

Booner! · 15 May 2008 at 15:35

In order to travel the galaxy, we must research black holes. It was discovered that particles around black holes actually disappear and other particles appear. This could mean that they are traveling into another dimension where speed is not limited to light and they can appear elsewhere in the same form. Surely by harnessing this we can literally teleport where we want?

If anyone has seen that documentary on black holes, please let me know if the theory above is correct?

Mik3 · 15 May 2008 at 15:41

I remember watching something regarding this, I believe its called negative mass?

Where currently researching the possibility's of other dimensions, its one of the main goals of the LHC currently being built.

Nymins · 15 May 2008 at 15:45

I kinda understand but not really

For example:

According to that like AcidHell2 posted, if i stayed on Earth and my friend said "im going across the Universe brb." To him it would take 0.2 seconds. Will he just disapear infront of me? And to him its 0.2 seconds and when he comes back 15 billion years have past and ill be long dead?

So techincally he just blinks and the earth is the same and next its all changed?

Tefal · 15 May 2008 at 15:45

Energize said:
It wouldn't be many many years if you were travelling close enough to light speed as long as you had a suitable method of propulsion to accelerate you, the time dilation factor increases exponentially.

Imo, relativistic travel is the only feasable method of interstellar travel that is proven to work.

It's a question of accelleration, think how long it would take t build up to that speed, considering that accelerating at anything over 1-2 G's is going to be very uncomfortable/difficult. then you have to decelerate, again at a slow rate.