All Frostbite 3 titles will be optimised exclusively for AMD

[Final8y]

Your missing the point - I'm not even drawing comparisions between the level of interaction AMD have with development compared to nVidia whether its good or bad in general.

When nVidia was trying to lock titles down to their hardware, etc. AMD made a big thing of taking the moral high ground, how this sort of "exclusivity" and features optimised for one vendor, whether it worked well or not on other vendors, was unhealthy for gaming and not the way they would operate.

Even if they are back pedalling somewhat with Frostbite based games take a look at thief 4 for instance and its not the only one they been talking about recently.

I'm not trying to equate anything with TWIMTBP it doesn't matter if what AMD is doing is locking other vendors out or not, I'm highlighting the double standards that when the boot was on the other foot AMD was sniping at nVidia and protesting about how they'd never do it at all, that titles being exclusive to one vendor or another was a bad thing. Then when they get their chance all those previous ideals are quickly forgotten about by AMD and their fans.

Double standards as in TWIMTBP and get hands on the game code first to write drivers than yeah AMD is doing the same there and many an NV follower was saying that AMD should do the same but most likely thought that they would not able to, so the real consequences would not matter to them personally.

But your open standards comment is nothing but a straw man and has no place in this context.

 

[Final8y]

"We are even more pleased to work so closely with their development team to realize the vision for these games with the incredible gaming performance of a PC powered by AMD Radeon graphics."

You know full well if it was not for the Console situation this as side effect would not happen, when you start seeing PC exclusives with AMD optimized than that's another matter.

 

[Rroff]

But your open standards comment is nothing but a straw man and has no place in this context.

I disagree, over the years AMD have bundled open standards in with the same context if you look at some of the other games they are touting as upcoming AMD exclusives they list off things like supporting eyefinity and AMD H3D, etc. and as per the previous mention of TressFX - after all the talk about OpenCL TressFX is implemented using DirectCompute.

 

[Final8y]

I disagree, over the years AMD have bundled open standards in with the same context if you look at some of the other games they are touting as upcoming AMD exclusives they list off things like supporting eyefinity and AMD H3D, etc. and as per the previous mentiong of TressFX - after all the talk about OpenCL TressFX is implemented using DirectCompute.

DirectCompute,OpenCL, is an open standard its not AMD exclusive.

Eyefinity and AMD 3D is a niche, if there was an open standard available AMD would have adopted it, its NV3D that locks out other 3D tech from working on those monitors, more straw.

 

[Rroff]

Only open in as far as its not optimised for a specific vendor's hardware - but after all the noise they made about how developers should be using Open CL it would be a good idea to put their money where their mouth is and use Open CL.

 

[Final8y]

Only open in as far as its not optimised for a specific vendor's hardware - but after all the noise they made about how developers should be using Open CL it would be a good idea to put their money where their mouth is and use Open CL.

Again Straw Man.

Not being able to run it at all and optimised are 2 different things.

 

[Rroff]

In the past they have been very vocal about how the exact same thing they are doing right now is wrong let alone descending to nVidia's level - touting exclusives and working to implement or optimise vendor specific features when they were previously very vocal about how doing just that wasn't a good thing for gaming.

Anyhow its not like I expected anyone to do anything but defend them over it totally ignoring all the past comments they've made on the subject.

 

[Final8y]

In the past they have been very vocal about how the exact same thing they are doing right now is wrong let alone descending to nVidia's level - touting exclusives and working to implement or optimise vendor specific features when they were previously very vocal about how doing just that wasn't a good thing for gaming.

Anyhow its not like I expected anyone to do anything but defend them over it totally ignoring all the past comments they've made on the subject.

Things like 3D and Multi screen are another matter, you have to buy extra hardware to use them.

And no they are not at the same low level as NV, locking out TressFX from running on the NV GPU and making it run on the CPU would be.

I hope there is a farm near by for all that straw.

 

[Rroff]

Its completely irrelevant to what I'm saying if they are doing the same thing to the same level as nVidia or not, until people get that out of their heads any reply to my posts on the subject are pretty much a waste of time.

 

[Final8y]

Its completely irrelevant to what I'm saying if they are doing the same thing to the same level as nVidia or not, until people get that out of their heads any reply to my posts on the subject are pretty much a waste of time.

But its not even the same because AMD are not locking out features at all for NV users.

 

[humbug]

So all that talk of embracing open standard and how nVidia locking in titles is bad for the health of gaming yada yada stands for nothing when the boot is on the other foot... suprise.

So typical of you to turn as much as you can into an AMD vs Nvidia issue.

AMD are working with developers while the game is being developed, so they will be released pre-optimised on AMD hardware, they are not stopping Nvidia from optimising for their hardware.

all your whinging about open standards is completely out of place. they are not locking anyone out of anything.

Back on topic please....

 

[no_1_dave]

Don't know why anyone's shocked.
This was obvious when they first announced BF4 was free with select AMD graphics cards.

Within a week of release Nvidia will have a new driver that will bring performance up on par with AMD, just like AMD do with Nvidia titles so who cares...

 

[Final8y]

So typical of you to turn as much as you can into an AMD vs Nvidia issue.

AMD are working with developers while the game is being developed, so they will be released pre-optimised on AMD hardware, they are not stopping Nvidia from optimising for their hardware.

all your whinging about open standards is completely out of place. they are not locking anyone out of anything.

Back on topic please....

And its Ironic that so many NV followers used to say that's why i choose NV and that AMD should working more closely with developers.

 

[humbug]

And its Ironic that so many NV followers used to say that's why i choose NV and that AMD should working more closely with developers.

I know, but lets not get into that, i'd rather all this patty crap just stopped

 

[Final8y]

I know, but lets not get into that, i'd rather all this petty crap just stopped

Well some pro NV members have been spending a lot more time posting in AMD threads lately so i would not hold my breath, its only a matter of time until they feel the urge to post BS.

EA already said it aint true, as i said its for AMD as a side effect of Optimised for AMD on the Consoles.

 

[Rroff]

So typical of you to turn as much as you can into an AMD vs Nvidia issue.

AMD are working with developers while the game is being developed, so they will be released pre-optimised on AMD hardware, they are not stopping Nvidia from optimising for their hardware.

all your whinging about open standards is completely out of place. they are not locking anyone out of anything.

Back on topic please....

I'm not the one bringing nVidia into this - what nVidia may or may not have done is completely irrelevant to my point - AMD have in the past taken a very vocal stance about how vendor exclusivity is a bad thing for gaming.

I've never even made any comments regarding whether what they are doing is locking anyone out or not thats completely irrelevant.

And its Ironic that so many NV followers used to say that's why i choose NV and that AMD should working more closely with developers.

AMD should work more closely with developers, I don't have a problem with them doing that, they have however taken the stance in the past against the sort of things they are doing now i.e. complaining about features implemented via nvapi in games where they had access to implement their own features also so its somewhat hypocritical.


EDIT: Also quite cynical of the wording:

"Additionally, the AMD Gaming Evolved program undertakes no efforts to prevent our competition from optimizing for games before their release.” very interesting way of putting it.

 

[Final8y]

I'm not the one bringing nVidia into this - what nVidia may or may not have done is completely irrelevant to my point - AMD have in the past taken a very vocal stance about how vendor exclusivity is a bad thing for gaming.

I've never even made any comments regarding whether what they are doing is locking anyone out or not thats completely irrelevant.



AMD should work more closely with developers, I don't have a problem with them doing that, they have however taken the stance in the past against the sort of things they are doing now i.e. complaining about features implemented via nvapi in games where they had access to implement their own features also so its somewhat hypocritical.

Not really as your twistings thing again as its about no AA, its not about NV FXAA VS MSAA, its about no AA at all if your using an AMD card.

Its about a water affect that would only work if you had a NV card as the developers said that ATI could not do it but someone got around that lockout and it worked just fine.

Its about disabling Phyix if you have a competitors GPU active and even putting in time bombs for people who got around the lockout.

Its about getting DX10.1 patched out of a game.

When AMD start doing that then get back to me.

 

[humbug]

EDIT: Also quite cynical of the wording:

"Additionally, the AMD Gaming Evolved program undertakes no efforts to prevent our competition from optimizing for games before their release.” very interesting way of putting it.

And.... your at it again....

 

[Final8y]

EDIT: Also quite cynical of the wording:

"Additionally, the AMD Gaming Evolved program undertakes no efforts to prevent our competition from optimizing for games before their release.” very interesting way of putting it.

AMD is in the Consoles AMD is going to be involved, its going to get Optimised for the Consoles first so in theory it gets optimized for AMD by default.

But stop crying, i newer seen you complain about NV optimized.

 

[Rroff]

Not really as your twistings thing again as its about no AA, its not about NV FXAA VS MSAA, its about no AA at all if your using an AMD card.

Its about a water affect that would only work if you had a NV card as the developers said that ATI could not do it but someone got around that lockout and it worked just fine.

Its about disabling Phyix if you have a competitors GPU active and even putting in time bombs for people who got around the lockout.

Its about getting DX10.1 patched out of a game.

When AMD start doing that then get back to me.

None of which is relevant to my posts which are about AMD being hypocritical in the context of ideals they have been very vocal about in the past and which their current actions are very much in breach of.

AMD is in the Consoles AMD is going to be involved, its going to get Optimised for the Consoles first so in theory it gets optimized for AMD by default.

But stop crying, i newer seen you complain about NV optimized.

I'm not complaining about the fact they have AMD optimised games I'm highlighting that its a bit rich in the face of past comments they have made.