Alternative to i5 11400f...?

jigger · 8 Oct 2021 at 17:33

humbug said:
5600X is just too expensive at the moment, still selling in massive numbers...... maybe when Alder Lake launches.

5600G, yeah maybe close enough if you're careful with the board, if you find something like this in stock somewhere.

I have seen some 5600G on a large site i cannot mention here that are somewhat cheaper than the 5600X, comes to £310 5600G + that Asus board. His original option was £280.

I would still go for the 10400F TBH.

It’s just about doable. TBH I’d go with AM4.

Poneros · 9 Oct 2021 at 00:21

Hank_Marvin said:
Thanks for the help guys. 10400 does come very close so is a good option. Pretty settled on 1080p currently and the 5700xt i have for a good few years i would think.

Just thinking about losing pci-e 4 and that gen 4 m.2 slot if i go for the 10400 over an 11400 but i don't find my current pc slow so doubt i'd be upset with a slightly slower m.2.

Keep in mind that with AM4 you could also benefit from S.A.M. which is actually quite good and better than re-bar, since you have a 5700 XT. That's quite a nice boost in some titles, essentially for free.

Joxeon · 9 Oct 2021 at 00:30

Poneros said:
Keep in mind that with AM4 you could also benefit from S.A.M. which is actually quite good and better than re-bar, since you have a 5700 XT. That's quite a nice boost in some titles, essentially for free.

S.A.M works just fine with Intel CPUs as far as I know.

humbug · 9 Oct 2021 at 00:35

Joxeon said:
S.A.M works just fine with Intel CPUs as far as I know.

It does...

Grim5 · 9 Oct 2021 at 06:00

The only 11400f alternative is the 12400f

Poneros · 9 Oct 2021 at 14:08

Joxeon said:
S.A.M works just fine with Intel CPUs as far as I know.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Is it the same-same or is it a re-bar situation? Can't find any info. Like with Nvidia, it also has re-bar but it's clearly worse than AMD's. So I thought you'd need AMD+AMD to have the best outcome from S.A.M.

jigger · 9 Oct 2021 at 14:20

Poneros said:
Interesting, I didn't know that. Is it the same-same or is it a re-bar situation? Can't find any info. Like with Nvidia, it also has re-bar but it's clearly worse than AMD's. So I thought you'd need AMD+AMD to have the best outcome from S.A.M.

It’s able to be set on some configurations. *Works* and *fine* aren’t words I’d use to describe the functionality though…

Joxeon · 9 Oct 2021 at 17:32

Poneros said:
Interesting, I didn't know that. Is it the same-same or is it a re-bar situation? Can't find any info. Like with Nvidia, it also has re-bar but it's clearly worse than AMD's. So I thought you'd need AMD+AMD to have the best outcome from S.A.M.

SAM is Re bar it's just it works better on AMDs Gpu vs Nvidia, which Platform your using won't make a difference.

Hank_Marvin · 17 Oct 2021 at 17:42

To conclude, I got hold of a 11600k and a Gigabyte B560 AORUS PRO AX for £295, now shopping around for some ram and an m.2.

Thanks all.

Sean473 · 20 Oct 2021 at 00:20

Hank_Marvin said:
To conclude, I got hold of a 11600k and a Gigabyte B560 AORUS PRO AX for £295, now shopping around for some ram and an m.2.

Thanks all.

Enjoy, it should be a good upgrade!

humbug · 20 Oct 2021 at 12:23

Hank_Marvin said:
To conclude, I got hold of a 11600k and a Gigabyte B560 AORUS PRO AX for £295, now shopping around for some ram and an m.2.

Thanks all.

Oh nice one... Enjoy it

Sean473 · 20 Oct 2021 at 23:07

Now let's see what Hank does for the RAM, M2 etc. - Wondering if he can snag a good deal on that too!

Joxeon · 21 Oct 2021 at 01:29

The crucial P5 nvme which is on offer right now and the 3600/16 ballistix ram are what I'd recommend.

Sean473 · 22 Oct 2021 at 23:08

Joxeon said:
The crucial P5 nvme which is on offer right now and the 3600/16 ballistix ram are what I'd recommend.

Not bad options tbh - especially the RAM is great actually!

SSD wise, I would go for a Samsung 970 Evo if you can get a good deal on it!

Game · 26 Oct 2021 at 08:09

MrRockliffe said:
@Gibbo is the stock situation of the 11400F something you can shed any light on?

Seems like a good value CPU. Does the 10400F support higher speed memory with a B560 board? If so, might be a good option too.

up to 4200 I think mines runnin at 3200

Game · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:51

Joxeon said:
S.A.M works just fine with Intel CPUs as far as I know.

I did try and turn it on in march but ended up with having to reset the bios

maybe I should do a bios update and try again but dont know if its worth the hassle

eggyoke · 29 Oct 2021 at 13:59

I've ordered the 11400f but was in two minds about waiting for the 12400f (probably come Feb/Mar). I'm updating from a 10-year-old PC (i5 2500k!) so I'm expecting a significant performance increase regardless. I think what put me off was talk of the new CPUs potentially having problems with older games, and potential price increases with the new architecture as I'm on a tight budget.

The only thing I can't upgrade is the GPU due to vomit worthy prices. So I'll be stuck using my HD 7970 for another few years by the looks of it

I just hope it holds up with the 11400f not having an i-GPU

Joxeon · 29 Oct 2021 at 14:14

Game said:
I did try and turn it on in march but ended up with having to reset the bios

maybe I should do a bios update and try again but dont know if its worth the hassle

Yeah you would want to try with the latest bios and you also need Windows in UEFI / GPT boot format as it won't boot with MBR.

Whether or not it's worth it depends on the game but in a 36 game sample that HW unboxed used they found on average a 3% performance increase.

Joxeon · 29 Oct 2021 at 16:16

eggyoke said:
I've ordered the 11400f but was in two minds about waiting for the 12400f (probably come Feb/Mar). I'm updating from a 10-year-old PC (i5 2500k!) so I'm expecting a significant performance increase regardless. I think what put me off was talk of the new CPUs potentially having problems with older games, and potential price increases with the new architecture as I'm on a tight budget.

The only thing I can't upgrade is the GPU due to vomit worthy prices. So I'll be stuck using my HD 7970 for another few years by the looks of it I just hope it holds up with the 11400f not having an i-GPU

I think the Alderlake CPUs which have the issue with older games are those that have the small cores, the 12400 to my knowledge is just a vanilla 6/12 with no little cores so should be fine on older games, that said unless your going with a GPU above the level of a 3070 then I doubt you will notice a difference and going from a 2500K either of those CPUs would be a huge upgrade.