AM2

[Kamakazie!]

He's spending 200 quid on a raptor with a window.I doubt he will be strapped for the extra 25 quid the conroe would cost!

That is true in his case. I suggest he goes for the 4200+ then since he wants AMD and at stock there seems to be very little between it and the 6300.

99% of people want the fastest system their money can buy.

I agree but for some. £25 really is a big difference. On my new system the CPU is the thing that i have saved the most money on because i know i will be likely to upgrade in 6-12months down the line. Till then it offers me all the performance i am going to need.

Oblivion is a game that stresses any system.Its a good example to use in this case.

I was not disagreeing that it didn't stress the system. I disagreed that it is a good example to use. It is not representative of todays most advanced games or engines. Like FEAR, the engine is highly unoptimised and uneconomical with system resources.

I don't care what he gets,I'm merely pointing out that going AM2 is the wrong decision.Based on the fact that its slower and will cost roughly the same.

As said, at stock, the 4200+ and the 6300 are very close.

What's 25 quid when buying a complete new system?

Nothing,the arguement does not hold water.

25 quid can be saved elsewhere on the system not on the Brain of the computer the most important part of any modern day PC.

See above.
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As for your system build... why is the SATA cable still in there?

I am not sure what the OCZ PSUs are like. THey are probably pretty good though.
The memory should be fine also.

 

[Lan]

ive been using amd since i started building computers originally for the price/performance value and overclockability but obv ive also had them for the performance as A64's have been the kings of speed for a few years now BUT if i was to upgrade right now id do myself a favour and get a Conroe in my personal view it would be a criminal waste of money for me to buy a new amd board + processor if the intel thrashes it for around the same price, you just have to use your head really and put fanboyism aside and always get the best performance for your money

 

[easyrider]

ive been using amd since i started building computers originally for the price/performance value and overclockability but obv ive also had them for the performance as A64's have been the kings of speed for a few years now BUT if i was to upgrade right now id do myself a favour and get a Conroe in my personal view it would be a criminal waste of money for me to buy a new amd board + processor if the intel thrashes it for around the same price, you just have to use your head really and put fanboyism aside and always get the best performance for your money

EUREKA!

 

[Lan]

EUREKA!

 

[Kamakazie!]

i have never argued that, if you want to overclock and are going for a new build, you should go AM2.

All i am fed up with is people pretending that, at stock/with a limited budget/with upgradability or 24/7 power consumption in mind, Conroe is the only choice. This is simply not true. If 2 or more of the above are important to you then the lower end AM2 processors must be seriously considdered. It is also some what annoying when people specifically ask for AM2 info, that the thread gets loads of "buy conroe" posts. If the guy wants an AM2 knowing the benefits of getting something different instead, then either don't post or offer relevant advice. Is it really that difficult?

There seems to be a mentality around here at the moment that Conroe is the only way to go for any and all situations. There are areas where this is not the case and people should accept that as much as that C2D is the fastest desktop cpu around, however, at the low end there really isn't that much in it.

 

[james.miller]

maybe because this is overclockers forum. perhaps you should accept that the 'mentality' here again, as i've said, is to get the most from your money. now are you going to stick on topic or keep complain that peopel are better with their money than you? if you really think the lower end chips are so close, where are the benchmarks?

 

[Lan]

Conroe is still a overall better choice despite what you say, and tbh a person who is building a new rig wiv all new parts would be a fool to not buy one over a A64

 

[easyrider]

i have never argued that, if you want to overclock and are going for a new build, you should go AM2.

All i am fed up with is people pretending that, at stock/with a limited budget/with upgradability or 24/7 power consumption in mind, Conroe is the only choice. This is simply not true. If 2 or more of the above are important to you then the lower end AM2 processors must be seriously considdered. It is also some what annoying when people specifically ask for AM2 info, that the thread gets loads of "buy conroe" posts. If the guy wants an AM2 knowing the benefits of getting something different instead, then either don't post or offer relevant advice. Is it really that difficult?

There seems to be a mentality around here at the moment that Conroe is the only way to go for any and all situations. There are areas where this is not the case and people should accept that as much as that C2D is the fastest desktop cpu around, however, at the low end there really isn't that much in it.

But the fact is AM2 offers no benefits other than satisfying brand loyality which is laughable IMO.

Until AMD come up with new process technology the fact remains that Conroe is the only way to go for any and all situations.

One can buy a faster system based on new technology for the same price.As you say Is it really that difficult?

The answer is no.

 

[james.miller]

is the 3800+ as fast as an e6300?

no, its sometimes 25% slower or more *at stock*

 

[Lan]

Easyrider i noticed your location "in denial" i think our amd fanboys are taking a trip to there right now dont forget to wave

 

[jpe20]

The only good thing about AM2 is the memory performance other than that one should look at Conroe. Having said that people should stop having this arguement as the guy obviously wants AM2 so lets tell him what the best AM2 setup is. You have already SHOUTED enough about the advantages of Conroe. Why don't you start up another thread "Why Conroe eats AM2 for Breakfast!" or something like that.

The only thing that gets me is the guy is prepared to self-build a system and is using "overclockers" forums and yet will not even "risk" a mild overclock from 2-2.2GHz because he is scared his cpu may burn up!!! How many cpus are killed with such mild overclocking??? next to none I would say. Whether he goes 6300 or 4200 he surely must do some overclocking of it as it is so easy and at the more mild end of the spectrum it is almost perfectly safe.

Maybe AM2 has something "special" coming in the new year that we don't know about?????? I know 65nm is around the corner for AM2.

I missed the conroe boat I am afraid though to be honest it does not seem to effect me much .... life seems to go on as normal!!!!

Jules

 

[Kamakazie!]

er thats because some people dont want to give him bad advice. its your choice if you do. as for warrenty - irrelevant. segate offer 5 years on their drives also.

isnt it funny how the only two people telling him to stick with am2 are the people who went am2 themselfs? tinted glasses perhaps? think about it..

where have i given him bad advice? i've answered his questions directly. he already stated he didn't want to go C2D. If he siad he did, then i would leave it to people that know about C2D mobo's to answer the question.
Rose tinted glasses? Since i've not bought my setup yet you can't call it that. I have my own reasons for going AM2 which would require a lot of explanation which involves numerous things such as budget now, budget in the future, upgrade path, required performance etc. etc. I have done a lot of research for my purchase and i am in no doubt as to if i made the right decision. For my personal situation. A low end AM2 X2 is best for me.
Now, if AMD decide to change their plans then i will have screwed up. But hey, its the risk i am willing to take.

is the 3800+ as fast as an e6300?

no, its sometimes 25% slower or more *at stock*

No but the 4200+ is and that is the one that is the same price.
I already linked to the Anandtech review that came to the same conclusion.

But the fact is AM2 offers no benefits other than satisfying brand loyality which is laughable IMO.

I've already mentioned certain benefits. If you choose to ignore them then that is your choice.

Conroe is still a overall better choice despite what you say, and tbh a person who is building a new rig wiv all new parts would be a fool to not buy one over a A64

I've not denied that for the majority of people, going C2D is the best choice. I have simply put forward reasons where it might not be. I've yet to see anyone show sufficient eveidence to the contrary.
People seem to think that because i put forward an argument for where AM2 is a good choice, it means i discount Conroe at the same time. I have already stated that C2D is the best CPU for the money at the mid to high end or if you are overclocking. Maybe you skipped over that bit?

maybe because this is overclockers forum. perhaps you should accept that the 'mentality' here again, as i've said, is to get the most from your money. now are you going to stick on topic or keep complain that peopel are better with their money than you? if you really think the lower end chips are so close, where are the benchmarks?

This is not an Overclockers forum. This is a forum for the customers of OcUK which just happens to have Overclockers in the name. This is a motherboard forum. There is a seprate forum for the Overclocking side. You do not have to overclock to qualify for an account here.
I have already made my suggestions regarding the OP and will say more when he asks his next Q. You haven't helped in any way.

Easyrider i noticed your location "in denial" i think our amd fanboys are taking a trip to there right now dont forget to wave

I am no fanboy, i have put across a balanced arguement. You have posted nothing of interest to this discussion.

 

[james.miller]

This is not an Overclockers forum. This is a forum for the customers of OcUK which just happens to have Overclockers in the name. This is a motherboard forum. There is a seprate forum for the Overclocking side. You do not have to overclock to qualify for an account here.

its overclockers forum. nobody said about haveing to overclock to be a member but how many peopel do you think really found the forums though the shop? not many. and even if they did, do you not think they choose overclockers for a reason?

Rose tinted glasses? Since i've not bought my setup yet you can't call it that. I have my own reasons for going AM2 which would require a lot of explanation which involves numerous things such as budget now, budget in the future, upgrade path, required performance etc. etc. I have done a lot of research for my purchase and i am in no doubt as to if i made the right decision. For my personal situation. A low end AM2 X2 is best for me.
Now, if AMD decide to change their plans then i will have screwed up. But hey, its the risk i am willing to take.

why not? since you have to buy new ram for your am2 setup, what makes it cheaper or easier to go am2 rather than conroe? new cpu, motherboard and ram for each platform. what exactly makes it easier or cheaper?

is the 3800+ as fast as an e6300?

no, its sometimes 25% slower or more *at stock*

No but the 4200+ is and that is the one that is the same price.
I already linked to the Anandtech review that came to the same conclusion.

huh?

The processor landscape has been changed once more thanks to AMD's extremely aggressive price cuts. The Core 2 Duo E6300 is a better performer than the X2 3800+ but is also more expensive, thankfully for the E6300's sake it is also faster than the 4200+ and the 4600+ in some benchmarks. Overall the E6300 is a better buy, but at stock speeds the advantage isn't nearly as great as the faster Core 2 parts. In many benchmarks the X2 4200+ isn't that far off the E6300's performance, sometimes even outperforming it at virtually the same price. Overclocking changes everything though, as our 2.592GHz E6300 ended up faster than AMD's FX-62 in almost every single benchmark. If you're not an overclocker, then the Athlon 64 X2 4200+ looks to be a competitive alternative to the Core 2 E6300.

its funny how selectively bolding one sentance changes the whole perspective of that paragraph.

One more thing regarding value for money. i've always questioned how sli or crossfire represents anything like value for money. if somebody could explain that id be very greatful.

 

[james.miller]

dp

 

[Deleted member 58846]

ffs ya like a bunch of girls "ooo what makup should i put on tonight"

the guys wants an am2 spec so spec it.

 

[james.miller]

i think you should then, because its a waste of money and i cant find anything AM2 that id spend my own money on. you get it? and again, you too have already gone am2 yourself.

bows out/

 

[easyrider]

ffs ya like a bunch of girls "ooo what makup should i put on tonight"

the guys wants an am2 spec so spec it.

I can't spec an AM2 as I can't see anything that will be faster than a 6300 setup for the same money.

I could spec one if I tried but whats the point?
It will be slower and cost the same.

So I don't really see the point.

 

[Deleted member 58846]

I can't spec an AM2 as I can't see anything that will be faster than a 6300 setup for the same money.

I could spec one if I tried but whats the point?
It will be slower and cost the same.

So I don't really see the point.

yeh but the guy said he wanted an am2 setup.

i think you should then, because its a waste of money and i cant find anything AM2 that id spend my own money on. you get it? and again, you too have already gone am2 yourself.

I got my AM2 kit bought for me, and I aint gunna refuse it am I ?

Anyway people better stop arguing now, dons are watching.

/leaves topic

 

[easyrider]

yeh but the guy said he wanted an am2 setup.



I got my AM2 kit bought for me, and I aint gunna refuse it am I ?

Anyway people better stop arguing now, dons are watching.

/leaves topic

Its discussion weighing up the pros and cons of both platforms in a forum.

You come in with

ffs ya like a bunch of girls "ooo what makup should i put on tonight"

the guys wants an am2 spec so spec it.

Has no substance at all in this thread.
Maybe you should comment on your AM2 setup and help the guy out.Rather than being insulting to forums members that clearly know about the latest hardware.

 

[Mr Paul]

Yes the OCZ Modstream is a very good PSU