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This is an American thing, hasn't reached the UK (yet).

Though I would certainly welcome competition to the NHS, the monopoly that the government have created has crushed the private market meaning we are all stuck with the same poor level of healthcare regardless of the ability to pay, which of course is the classical outcome of any socialist system, everyone ends up equally worse off.
 
Energize said:
This is an American thing, hasn't reached the UK (yet).

Though I would certainly welcome competition to the NHS, the monopoly that the government have created has crushed the private market meaning we are all stuck with the same poor level of healthcare regardless of the ability to pay, which of course is the classical outcome of any socialist system.
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Crushed the private market?

Utter tosh with a cherry on top.

My wife recently used the private system btw so first hand experience.
 
Energize said:
This is an American thing, hasn't reached the UK (yet).

Though I would certainly welcome competition to the NHS, the monopoly that the government have created has crushed the private market meaning we are all stuck with the same poor level of healthcare regardless of the ability to pay, which of course is the classical outcome of any socialist system, everyone ends up equally worse off.
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Shooting from the hip and missing by a mile. The private sector is doing very well, self-funded treatments are on the increase.

www.bbc.co.uk

NHS waits force patients to pay for private ops

People are taking out loans and turning to crowdfunding to pay private medical bills of up to £15,000.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Energize said:
This is an American thing, hasn't reached the UK (yet).

Though I would certainly welcome competition to the NHS, the monopoly that the government have created has crushed the private market meaning we are all stuck with the same poor level of healthcare regardless of the ability to pay, which of course is the classical outcome of any socialist system, everyone ends up equally worse off.
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* only when handled by capitalists with an agenda, as is the case with our NHS. Heck, at one point, our Health Secretary was the same person who wrote the book on how to dismantle the NHS.

We're not seeing the same system failing the Scandinavian and Canadian populace - so it CAN work.
 
Energize said:
This is an American thing, hasn't reached the UK (yet).

Though I would certainly welcome competition to the NHS, the monopoly that the government have created has crushed the private market meaning we are all stuck with the same poor level of healthcare regardless of the ability to pay, which of course is the classical outcome of any socialist system, everyone ends up equally worse off.
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That’s one of the most insane things I’ve ever read.

Why would British tax payers want to pay 3x what they do now per capita, for care that’s not only worse than they receive now, but that they also have to pay extra for privately on top of their taxes?

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Surveyor said:
Shooting from the hip and missing by a mile. The private sector is doing very well, self-funded treatments are on the increase.

www.bbc.co.uk

NHS waits force patients to pay for private ops

People are taking out loans and turning to crowdfunding to pay private medical bills of up to £15,000.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Because hip and knee replacements represent the entire market lol, talk about cherry picking. I have used the private system as well, however when you see cities with 6 figure populations with no private GP practices at all, only NHS ones with 6 week waiting times, you would have to be totally ignorant to say that the NHS model hasn't devastated the private market when compared to alternative universal healthcare systems.

GordyR said:
That’s one of the most insane things I’ve ever read.

Why would British tax payers want to pay 3x what they do now, per capita for care that’s not only worse than they receive now, but that they also have to a pay extra for on top of their taxes, via private insurance?
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Who suggested that? Is that what happens in Japan, Germany, France etc? No.

UK ranks pretty poorly compared to other countries on a number of metrics, cancer outcomes are poor for example compared to peer countries. Would you rather survive cancer or go for the cheapest system?

news.cancerresearchuk.org

Measuring up: how does the UK compare internationally on cancer survival?

New survival figures have revealed some encouraging trends around the world. But they also highlight how much progress still needs to be made in the UK.
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And the latest figures, covering 1995 to 2014, reveal some stark differences in cancer survival between countries. Generally, cancer survival is higher in Australia, Canada and Norway than in Denmark, Ireland, New Zealand and the UK.

Similar trends can be seen for individual cancer types, like lung cancer. From the graphs we can see that Australia has the highest lung cancer survival, and Ireland has made the greatest increase in survival over time. But despite big improvements in lung cancer survival, the UK remains bottom of the list for this cancer type.
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Even the USA with it's terrible healthcare system with large numbers of people uninsured and crap lifestyles has significantly better cancer outcomes then we do, so you can't put it down to bad diet, lack of exercise etc.
 
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Energize said:
Because hip and knee replacements represent the entire market lol, talk about cherry picking. I have used the private system as well, however when you see cities with 6 figure populations with no private GP practices at all, only NHS ones with 6 week waiting times, you would have to be totally ignorant to say that the NHS model hasn't devastated the private market when compared to alternative universal healthcare systems.
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If there was a demand for £100 GP appointments then practices would open. Perhaps you'd like to turn the clock back to a time when many couldn't even afford to see a doctor let alone pay for any treatment required.
 
Surveyor said:
If there was a demand for £100 GP appointments then practices would open. Perhaps you'd like to turn the clock back to a time when many couldn't even afford to see a doctor let alone pay for any treatment required.
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Markets don't quite work like that when you've got a government funded infrastructure in place, and £100 GP appointments would really prove my point wouldn't it, GP's don't earn £600 per hour, only way you get that happening is when you heavily distort the market.

And no, actually my proposal was to start pumping gas into Lidl to kill off all the poor. I put up a petition on change.org but it got taken down sadly.
 
GordyR said:
That’s one of the most insane things I’ve ever read.

Why would British tax payers want to pay 3x what they do now per capita, for care that’s not only worse than they receive now, but that they also have to pay extra for privately on top of their taxes?

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How the **** are Europe’s best healthcare systems rated worse than the U.K. and worse than the USA is some cases?
 
GordyR said:
That’s one of the most insane things I’ve ever read.

Why would British tax payers want to pay 3x what they do now per capita, for care that’s not only worse than they receive now, but that they also have to pay extra for privately on top of their taxes?
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Where’s the 2020 or newer data? This is 2011/2013.
 
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