AMD 7nm GPU News and Rumours 2018/2019

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Buyers have to be somewhat responsible for the prices too?
The performance deficit didn't seem THAT terrible between Vega/10 series, obviously with the 2080ti that has changed, but every other model I'm not seeing what the fuss is about.

We can only hope for those £100 570 performances.

 

[Rroff]

I think the Titan V proves that Volta was more than capable of holding it's own, Pascal remained at the top of the food chain for 28 months and that gave Nvidia the opportunity to leap frog over Volta & concentrate on getting the RTX tech they've been working on for years into a product they could bring to market.
We may see Navi filling the entire stack but that doesn't guarantee there will be a viable upgrade option for Vega owners, If we see Navi matching Vega performance they may faze out RX Vega, The next question mark is related to what memory type we'll see, Will Navi have HBM or will it be cut from the RX range of products. I think Navi is a mid-range Polaris replacement that may make a big enough performance leap that it compete's with Vega or even edges ahead but it's still only a mid range product.

Volta certainly isn't an optimal approach for a gaming GPU though the Titan V holds its own courtesy of the sheer size of the die and a bit of brute force - but then Volta was designed with another goal in mind and that wasn't gaming.

I suspect someone if they knew what they were doing with firmware tweaking especially VRAM timings, etc. wise could probably bump the Titan V gaming performance up a fair bit mind.

 

[nashathedog]

Volta certainly isn't an optimal approach for a gaming GPU though the Titan V holds its own courtesy of the sheer size of the die and a bit of brute force - but then Volta was designed with another goal in mind and that wasn't gaming.

I suspect someone if they knew what they were doing with firmware tweaking especially VRAM timings, etc. wise could probably bump the Titan V gaming performance up a fair bit mind.

Undoubtedly, Volta was never optimised as a gaming product because Nvidia was able to leap frog over Volta and spend the time bringing it's Ray tracing tech to market, I think that if AMD's Vega line had been both earlier to release and more competitive with Pascal at the high end we would have seen a GTX Volta range a lot sooner than when we got Turing.

 

[Armageus]

RX590 rumoured for 15th November
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3065372/amds-radeon-rx-590-could-pop-up-15-november
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/600/600439.htm

 

[MyBrainz]

RX590 rumoured for 15th November
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3065372/amds-radeon-rx-590-could-pop-up-15-november
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/600/600439.htm

If the price is right i'll buy one of these but only because i feel the 4GB VRAM is starting to become a limiting factor on my current RX 480. Over the past couple of months i've been looking at getting an 8GB RX 580. As tempting as the Powercolor Vega 56 is @£350.. i feel its too much money spent on a stop gap card before Navi.

So its gona be down to price with the 590 to tempt my purchase. And of course i'm hoping theres a Sapphire Nitro+ version available

 

[AMDPower]

If the price is right i'll buy one of these but only because i feel the 4GB VRAM is starting to become a limiting factor on my current RX 480. Over the past couple of months i've been looking at getting an 8GB RX 580. As tempting as the Powercolor Vega 56 is @£350.. i feel its too much money spent on a stop gap card before Navi.

So its gona be down to price with the 590 to tempt my purchase. And of course i'm hoping theres a Sapphire Nitro+ version available

The problem is that Gibbo mentioned in another thread they will be priced £280-£290 price bracket, if this holds, you might as well put the extra £50 for vega 56 because the performance is worth it given they overclock like made to something like GTX2070 overclocked itself, or very close to. That's if you get a good card with good cooling solution and wiling to do some overclocking bios updates, memory overlock ect.

 

[MyBrainz]

The problem is that Gibbo mentioned in another thread they will be priced £280-£290 price bracket, if this holds, you might as well put the extra £50 for vega 56 because the performance is worth it given they overclock like made to something like GTX2070 overclocked itself, or very close to. That's if you get a good card with good cooling solution and wiling to do some overclocking bios updates, memory overlock ect.

I wont be messing with another vBIOS again after borking one my my RX 480 BIOS's

Im told Vega 56 is around 50% perf increase over my current 480.. just trying to resist

How much life do you think a Vega 56 has left? Couple of years? Is it worth it to be able to skip Navi altogether?

 

[Mr G]

I'm on the fence at the moment debating whether to jump on the Vega 56 or 1070Ti, and have to echo those thoughts too... is Vega worth it in 2018?

 

[AMDPower]

I wont be messing with another vBIOS again after borking one my my RX 480 BIOS's

Im told Vega 56 is around 50% perf increase over my current 480.. just trying to resist

How much life do you think a Vega 56 has left? Couple of years? Is it worth it to be able to skip Navi altogether?

I really don't know what AMD line up for GPU is next year, everything seems very uncertain. They might release navi, might release a vega rehash on 7nm, navi has been rumoured only to be 1080 level type performance. Nobody knows really.

I was going to ask what resolution you play at and it seems a 1440p. If you can be patient enough to wait and keep saving money till next year for new AMD GPU then wait by all means. But your current card is not adequate for 1440p gaming. You really need Vega56 upwards for that. I think a vega56 would last you a while yet, how many years its hard to tell but i think you should be good for the next 2 years at the very least, specially with a overclock. If you plan to keep you card for few years and insist on AMD cards then vega64 is a better buy. Inside the Vega64 thread there is OC setting without any crazy modding that gives you gtx1080oc or beats it. People are under volting them and getting excellent overclock with good power saving just buy a good card to start with.

you could sell your card and put that money towards the vega54 purchase, might get £100-£150 for it depending on whether its 4GB or 8gb that would make your vega54 purchase £250-£200 or so and next year if something out of this world gets released by AMD you can sell that and buy again. You do loose on each sale but its better than holding onto a card that will depreciate to nothing.

 

[Mr G]

I really don't know what AMD line up for GPU is next year, everything seems very uncertain. They might release navi, might release a vega rehash on 7nm, navi has been rumoured only to be 1080 level type performance. Nobody knows really.

I was going to ask what resolution you play at and it seems a 1440p. If you can be patient enough to wait and keep saving money till next year for new AMD GPU then wait by all means. But your current card is not adequate for 1440p gaming. You really need Vega56 upwards for that. I think a vega56 would last you a while yet, how many years its hard to tell but i think you should be good for the next 2 years at the very least, specially with a overclock. If you plan to keep you card for few years and insist on AMD cards then vega64 is a better buy. Inside the Vega64 thread there is OC setting without any crazy modding that gives you gtx1080oc or beats it. People are under volting them and getting excellent overclock with good power saving just buy a good card to start with.

you could sell your card and put that money towards the vega54 purchase, might get £100-£150 for it depending on whether its 4GB or 8gb that would make your vega54 purchase £250-£200 or so and next year if something out of this world gets released by AMD you can sell that and buy again. You do loose on each sale but its better than holding onto a card that will depreciate to nothing.

That's exactly what I did and now stuck choosing what to upgrade too, MSI 1070Ti or Powercolor Vega 56.

 

[Poneros]

I wont be messing with another vBIOS again after borking one my my RX 480 BIOS's

Im told Vega 56 is around 50% perf increase over my current 480.. just trying to resist

How much life do you think a Vega 56 has left? Couple of years? Is it worth it to be able to skip Navi altogether?

Navi won't be too big of a difference compared to Vega, from rumours, but it's gonna consume less power & be cheaper. It's nothing ground breaking really, I would say that £350 V56 is absolutely a great purchase today. I mean if you look at it, best case scenario for Navi in 2019 is V64 performance, 100w less power consumption, and £250. You can sell the game bundle for £50 -> V56 = £300. You get to enjoy the extra performance for a year but pay £50 for the privilege. Is that a bad deal? I don't think so.

 

[Mr G]

Navi won't be too big of a difference compared to Vega, from rumours, but it's gonna consume less power & be cheaper. It's nothing ground breaking really, I would say that £350 V56 is absolutely a great purchase today. I mean if you look at it, best case scenario for Navi in 2019 is V64 performance, 100w less power consumption, and £250. You can sell the game bundle for £50 -> V56 = £300. You get to enjoy the extra performance for a year but pay £50 for the privilege. Is that a bad deal? I don't think so.

What's your opinion on the Powercolor Vega 56... don't see many reviews or user reviews?

 

[Poneros]

What's your opinion on the Powercolor Vega 56... don't see many reviews or user reviews?

Check this thread, all the guys who bought it seem to be very happy with it. The only review I saw was from Joker@Youtube and it was all good, but he didn't show numbers for noise, just said it's quiet. I always liked PowerColor's cards, my 7950 PCS+ is still a beast and running well (in a cousin's PC). Only bad thing about them is 2 year warranty, but that's a general thing with AMD GPUs unfortunately.

 

[MyBrainz]

I really don't know what AMD line up for GPU is next year, everything seems very uncertain. They might release navi, might release a vega rehash on 7nm, navi has been rumoured only to be 1080 level type performance. Nobody knows really.

I was going to ask what resolution you play at and it seems a 1440p. If you can be patient enough to wait and keep saving money till next year for new AMD GPU then wait by all means. But your current card is not adequate for 1440p gaming. You really need Vega56 upwards for that. I think a vega56 would last you a while yet, how many years its hard to tell but i think you should be good for the next 2 years at the very least, specially with a overclock. If you plan to keep you card for few years and insist on AMD cards then vega64 is a better buy. Inside the Vega64 thread there is OC setting without any crazy modding that gives you gtx1080oc or beats it. People are under volting them and getting excellent overclock with good power saving just buy a good card to start with.

you could sell your card and put that money towards the vega54 purchase, might get £100-£150 for it depending on whether its 4GB or 8gb that would make your vega54 purchase £250-£200 or so and next year if something out of this world gets released by AMD you can sell that and buy again. You do loose on each sale but its better than holding onto a card that will depreciate to nothing.

Im at 1080p on a 27" monitor. Think i might hold off for a bit, the reduced power consumption on the next cards is attracting me, i want to go for less power/less heat so i think im gona try and use the RX 480 for a bit longer, 2019 isnt far off. I have a 4GB card and the games i play are hitting around 3.5GB VRAM. I can still play GTA V with all High settings and 2xMSAA so i guess thats still pretty decent. FreeSync helps

Lets hope i didnt miss out on that really good priced Vega 56, just gotta get through the temptation of any Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals

 

[MyBrainz]

Navi won't be too big of a difference compared to Vega, from rumours, but it's gonna consume less power & be cheaper. It's nothing ground breaking really, I would say that £350 V56 is absolutely a great purchase today. I mean if you look at it, best case scenario for Navi in 2019 is V64 performance, 100w less power consumption, and £250. You can sell the game bundle for £50 -> V56 = £300. You get to enjoy the extra performance for a year but pay £50 for the privilege. Is that a bad deal? I don't think so.

Sounds like a plan but as above, gona hold off for a bit. I'd be happy with GTX 1080 perf for under £300.. lets hope it turns out something like

 

[LoadsaMoney]

https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/a..._discrete_graphics_coming_to_macbook_pro.html

 

[FoxEye]

Sounds like a plan but as above, gona hold off for a bit. I'd be happy with GTX 1080 perf for under £300.. lets hope it turns out something like

There's a distinct possibility that Navi is a late 2019 product. Like Oct/Nov time.

Whilst I'm in the same boat (waiting), I'm not expecting it to be arriving any time soon. Esp since they're still releasing 500 series cards, in the guise of the 590. You can say with confidence that that release wouldn't be happening if Navi was arriving sooner rather than later.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Yeah, they wouldn't bother releasing the 480 again, if they had something else coming.

 

[AMDPower]

Yeah, they wouldn't bother releasing the 480 again, if they had something else coming.

I wonder what kind of performance gains they would get if VEGA was moved to the 12nm+ process. A 10-15% gain across board would have been worth moving onto the 12nm process but i assume they might move vega on to the 7nm process.

as all the overclocking shows that VEGA is quite competitive architecture only problem was the clocks, it would not clock well on 7nm i wonder if they could compete with the 20xx series nvidia cards.

a Vega GPU at 2000mhz or 2200mhz would be very competitive.

 

[FoxEye]

I wonder what kind of performance gains they would get if VEGA was moved to the 12nm+ process. A 10-15% gain across board would have been worth moving onto the 12nm process.

The problem with Vega is that it just isn't profitable unless sold as professional or compute cards.

No doubt a large part of why Vega 20 will not become a gaming card, and why Polaris is getting it's 3rd (re)(re)release instead Vega is just too expensive to manufacture.