AMD 7nm GPU News and Rumours 2018/2019

[Gerard]

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a Vega GPU at 2000mhz or 2200mhz would be very competitive.

Might be but what type of cooling would it need to maintain those clocks? The Vega 64 liquid wasn't exactly the quietest under load as it was. I think them trying to crowbar more clock speed out of Vega is just going to lead to far heftier cooling solutions needed and likely more power draw.

Be interested to see what they manage with the 7nm Vega, assuming it at some point appears as a gaming card.

 

[4K8KW10]

I wonder what kind of performance gains they would get if VEGA was moved to the 12nm+ process. A 10-15% gain across board would have been worth moving onto the 12nm process but i assume they might move vega on to the 7nm process.

Probably 5-10%.

Might be but what type of cooling would it need to maintain those clocks?

Peltier element with something massive (or with large surface area) on the hot side of the element

 

[Rroff]

Yeah you wouldn't want to be strapping one of those directly on a GPU...

 

[Zeed]

I wonder what kind of performance gains they would get if VEGA was moved to the 12nm+ process. A 10-15% gain across board would have been worth moving onto the 12nm process but i assume they might move vega on to the 7nm process.

as all the overclocking shows that VEGA is quite competitive architecture only problem was the clocks, it would not clock well on 7nm i wonder if they could compete with the 20xx series nvidia cards.

a Vega GPU at 2000mhz or 2200mhz would be very competitive.

Naaa costs too much to produce due to HBM

 

[Zeed]

Yeah you wouldn't want to be strapping one of those directly on a GPU...

Ye condensation and extra 200W needed to deliver hahaha. System with this would draw 800w off the wall

 

[Rroff]

Ye condensation and extra 200W needed to deliver hahaha. System with this would draw 800w off the wall

I've actually ran them through a digital thermostat/relay board to try and stay away from the dew point so to speak LOL - not very successfully.

 

[4K8KW10]

Dew point is lower with lower humidity in the air. You need very dry conditions, yes.

800W unlikely, when the CPU can be 65W, the VEGA will be 300W and for the element 196W

 

[Rroff]

Dew point is lower with lower humidity in the air. You need very dry conditions, yes.

800W unlikely, when the CPU can be 65W, the VEGA will be 300W and for the element 196W

Wasn't so much the literal dew point but keeping the temperature delta as high as possible while reducing the potential for condensation - quite hard to really accomplish efficient heat removal at the same time though.

 

[nashathedog]

If the price is right i'll buy one of these but only because i feel the 4GB VRAM is starting to become a limiting factor on my current RX 480. Over the past couple of months i've been looking at getting an 8GB RX 580. As tempting as the Powercolor Vega 56 is @£350.. i feel its too much money spent on a stop gap card before Navi.

So its gona be down to price with the 590 to tempt my purchase. And of course i'm hoping theres a Sapphire Nitro+ version available

The problem is that Gibbo mentioned in another thread they will be priced £280-£290 price bracket, if this holds, you might as well put the extra £50 for vega 56 because the performance is worth it given they overclock like made to something like GTX2070 overclocked itself, or very close to. That's if you get a good card with good cooling solution and wiling to do some overclocking bios updates, memory overlock ect.

I think the 3 free games package is ending soon as well, You can sell the games for 45-50 quid if you don't want them & that knocks the Vega 56 down to around £300. I'd definitely try to find out when the games bundle offer ends as if it isn't going to be available with the 590 the Vega 56 is definitely something you should consider, There's no reason to worry about support for at least another couple of years.

 

[MyBrainz]

There's a distinct possibility that Navi is a late 2019 product. Like Oct/Nov time.

Whilst I'm in the same boat (waiting), I'm not expecting it to be arriving any time soon. Esp since they're still releasing 500 series cards, in the guise of the 590. You can say with confidence that that release wouldn't be happening if Navi was arriving sooner rather than later.

I think the 3 free games package is ending soon as well, You can sell the games for 45-50 quid if you don't want them & that knocks the Vega 56 down to around £300. I'd definitely try to find out when the games bundle offer ends as if it isn't going to be available with the 590 the Vega 56 is definitely something you should consider, There's no reason to worry about support for at least another couple of years.

I've just ordered the Powercolor Vega 56.. from my RX 480 i'm told (and from benchmarks i've seen) its around 50% extra performance for £350.. RX 590 is gona be around 10-15% from my RX 480 for around £300.. guess its a no brainer also coming from a 4GB VRAM card.

Lets see how it goes

 

[Mr G]

After watching several reviews on YouTube and scouring the net I just pulled the trigger on the Vega 56, crazy price for what it will offer me over the next few years.

 

[nashathedog]

I've just ordered the Powercolor Vega 56.. from my RX 480 i'm told (and from benchmarks i've seen) its around 50% extra performance for £350.. RX 590 is gona be around 10-15% from my RX 480 for around £300.. guess its a no brainer also coming from a 4GB VRAM card.

Lets see how it goes

That was a good choice,
I moved from a 480 Red Devil to a Vega Red Devil and for 3440x1440 gaming I''m glad I did,
Once you have it installed you can work on the settings.,

This is how my tweaked settings (at the bottom) compare to the stock settings.

1632 with 1200 voltage on the core & 945 with 1100 voltage on the memory,

1692 with 1110 voltage on the core & 1080 with 1035 voltage on the memory,

This has made a big difference to performance, noise and heat even though the core increase does not look that much, I could go higher on the core but my goal is to get a good balance between performance and noise for 24/7 use. I've had no problem running synthetics like Firestrike & Superposition with up to 1752 on the core but I haven't done much testing like that so don't know how well it would hold up testing gaming benchmarks,
If you spend a few weeks slowly tweaking & testing the card you'll find it can make a big difference,
Personally I wouldn't go messing with the bio's or registry, There's no need, Just take your time tweaking it in Wattman & you'll be happy with the end result.

 

[MyBrainz]

That was a good choice,
I moved from a 480 Red Devil to a Vega Red Devil and for 3440x1440 gaming I''m glad I did,
Once you have it installed you can work on the settings.,

This is how my tweaked settings (at the bottom) compare to the stock settings.

1632 with 1200 voltage on the core & 945 with 1100 voltage on the memory,

1692 with 1110 voltage on the core & 1080 with 1035 voltage on the memory,

This has made a big difference to performance, noise and heat even though the core increase does not look that much, I could go higher on the core but my goal is to get a good balance between performance and noise for 24/7 use. I've had no problem running synthetics like Firestrike & Superposition with up to 1752 on the core but I haven't done much testing like that so don't know how well it would hold up testing gaming benchmarks,
If you spend a few weeks slowly tweaking & testing the card you'll find it can make a big difference,
Personally I wouldn't go messing with the bio's or registry, There's no need, Just take your time tweaking it in Wattman & you'll be happy with the end result.

Im probably gona keep it simple, at 1080p/60Hz/FreeSync i'll try and use Trixx to undervolt and maybe just round off the 1478 core to 1500 and be done.. i've never been a fan of Wattman anyway

 

[nashathedog]

Im probably gona keep it simple, at 1080p/60Hz/FreeSync i'll try and use Trixx to undervolt and maybe just round off the 1478 core to 1500 and be done.. i've never been a fan of Wattman anyway

Fair enough, I really like Wattman as it allows me to do everything I want without needing 3rd party software. Good luck with the card.

 

[Panos]

Im probably gona keep it simple, at 1080p/60Hz/FreeSync i'll try and use Trixx to undervolt and maybe just round off the 1478 core to 1500 and be done.. i've never been a fan of Wattman anyway

Wattman is great. Might not look like MSI AB/Trixx but if you spend 5 minutes on it, provides more tweaking.
And then there is OverdriveNTool which still trying to get the hang of it...

 

[MyBrainz]

Fair enough, I really like Wattman as it allows me to do everything I want without needing 3rd party software. Good luck with the card.

Wattman is great. Might not look like MSI AB/Trixx but if you spend 5 minutes on it, provides more tweaking.
And then there is OverdriveNTool which still trying to get the hang of it...

I'll look into Wattman a bit more, just seems confusing at times looking at it previously and then the issues of profiles not saving in the past.. are those issues still a thing?

I just cba to watch Wattman tutorials If theres a good one out there, please link me

I'll be selling the games if i can though, none of them interest me.

 

[nashathedog]

I'll look into Wattman a bit more, just seems confusing at times looking at it previously and then the issues of profiles not saving in the past.. are those issues still a thing?

I just cba to watch Wattman tutorials If theres a good one out there, please link me

I'll be selling the games if i can though, none of them interest me.

The profiles work okay, It's a solid bit of software now and it's not hard to figure out. You'll get around £50 back for the games. I really like Strange Brigade, I went and grabbed the season pass for it last week and I've put over 100 hours in to it so far.

 

[Poneros]

Leaked 590 scores in AotS

Comparisons with 580/1060/1070

 

[Freddie1980]

Leaked 590 scores in AotS

Comparisons with 580/1060/1070

Just goes to show clock rate isn't everything.

 

[MyBrainz]

! nearly waited for this

Glad i picked up the Vega 56 while it was still £350