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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Final8y said:
You have links to prove otherwise that nothing on that page is true ?
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See when it launches.
I've already said BD will be faster than the 2600k in any application that you'd opt for a 2600k over a 2500k.

I'm not negative lol.

wannabedamned said:
i doubt it, He just likes being Mr cynicism it would seem. I've had a read through this thread and he seems very much the negative nelly

OH LOOK POSSIBLY FACTS!

LIES! I TELL YE LIES!!!

Why?!

LIES!!!
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Given there's been nothing but delays, and more disappointment.....
Wait till it launches...'

Final8y said:
You have links to prove otherwise that nothing on that page is true ?
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It's just marketing crap. Yes, it might be factual, but relevant? Far from it, will it make a damn difference? Probably not, an an AM3 Crosshair IV Formula will likely perform no different to a Crosshair AM3+ V Formula with a BD CPU, hell, they'll probably overclock the same too.

It's no different to AM2+ and AM3 on a Phenom II, performance was the same, despite even a change in memory.
Hell, I bet if you put a Phenom II on an AM2 board which supports them, and a Phenom II on an AM3+ board, they'd perform exactly the same.
 
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psychas said:
that would suck big time ^ quite happy with ch4
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I doubt it massively. If anything, it'll be a slightly different test set up.
EDIT : I wouldn't mind eating massive humble pie, if AMD compete again, I'll greet them with me on my knees, mouth open, tongue out, saliva dripping and ready to gag.
 
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Martini1991 said:
It's just marketing crap. Yes, it might be factual, but relevant? Far from it, will it make a damn difference? Probably not, an an AM3 Crosshair IV Formula will likely perform no different to a Crosshair AM3+ V Formula with a BD CPU, hell, they'll probably overclock the same too.

It's no different to AM2+ and AM3 on a Phenom II, performance was the same, despite even a change in memory.
Hell, I bet if you put a Phenom II on an AM2 board which supports them, and a Phenom II on an AM3+ board, they'd perform exactly the same.
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Are you really that completely inept, READ THE RUDDY LINK. I don't think a single one of the 6 reasons for the change were performance related.

Its BASIC ELECTRONICS, really really basic, if you have a 140W chip running at 1.5v then you're using 93amps, if you move the voltage down to 1.4v and the same power the voltage goes up to 100amps, if its 1.2v, then amp requirement goes up to 116W.

THIS is the big change with the socket, no one said more performance, but if your basic MSI 870 board has crap VRM's and dies on a Thuban overclocked, it will certainly die on a higher amp drawing Bulldozer, so the BASE REQUIREMENT of motherboards would improve the spec of that lower end cheaper mobo. IT will also improve the spec on high end mobo's, because if Asus decide on their crosshair to have 30% room for increased ampage for overclocking, 30% more than 105amps is a smaller number than 30% more than 145amps.

Its not marketing guff, you can see what mosfets are on mobo's, you can do the very basic maths to see what ampage a mobo can provide, and you can compare that to a new mobo you can literally see the difference if you aren't purposefully blind to it.

Power goes up, voltage goes down, amps increase on an exponential curve(though the increase doesn't ramp up to crazy levels till sub 1v really).

Did you see 590gtx's blow up, yup, sub par VRM's, have you see cheap mobo's blow when overclocked, sub par VRM's.

At stock a lot of current boards will be able to provide enough juice to bulldozers no problem, though VRM's work a little differently, the higher the load and power going through the lower their capacity becomes etc, so in general a higher workload from newer chips means hotter running VRM's with less headroom.

We've yet to see Bulldozer, we don't know what stock voltage will be on shipping models, more importantly, voltage could come down quickly. Theres plenty of threads on various forums of people seriously undervolting Llano's and finding the "stock" voltage to be way higher than stability actually requires. On a new process voltage is likely to be higher than we see in even 6 months, let alone in 2 years. So while AM3+ is borderline useful now, in 2 years we'll have 16 core Bulldozers sucking 160W at maybe 1.2v, in which case they would almost certainly be dangerous on AM3 mobo's specced for 105amps.


AM3+ isn't a buzzword for only the high end mobo's for higher performance, its a standard base requirement thats important to move forward over time.
 
And there goes DM, on a tangent again.
I never said it wasn't electrical.

Not knocking you though.
All we want, is AMD to produce a CPU, which will compete with Intel, the specifics? Don't really care for, people will buy a board suited to their needs etc.
AM3+ however is pointless given how short lived it will be. Why not just scrap AM3+ in total, move onto the next platform?
 
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Martini1991 said:
And there goes DM, on a tangent again.
I never said it wasn't electrical.

Not knocking you though.
All we want, is AMD to produce a CPU, which will compete with Intel, the specifics? Don't really care for, people will buy a board suited to their needs etc.
AM3+ however is pointless given how short lived it will be. Why not just scrap AM3+ in total, move onto the next platform?
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why move onto the next platform if there exists a platform capable? I think it was shown earlier in this thread that voltage looks to be high on these BD chips, if thats the case then the electrical noise difference between the boards plays a large factor. The more volts, the more noise, the fatter pins, the more noise. The better the board controls that noise, the better the stability of the chips. And most of the points given in that link above were with regards to noise and conduction.
 
Yayyyyyyy My board will support BD! :D

I'll be waiting for the FX-8170P now I think. Would be a nice upgrade to my current system, from a 3.4ghz quad to a 4.2ghz oct with 4.7ghz turbo, and from 4gb of 1333mhz ram to 8/16gb of 1866mhz+. :D
 
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