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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

sonicology said:
I cracked and bought a 2500K, still hoping that BD outperforms Sandy though.
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I ended up doing a Core i3 2100 mini ITX based build for my secondary computer a few days ago myself. Hopefully Bulldozer and Llano are good and then I can replace my primary build based on a Q6600 with an AMD based one! :)

This way I have two possible upgrade paths! :D
 
opethdisciple said:
I think the amount of time AMD are taking to get these chips to market, we should not be suprised, and expect them to be better than the SB Intel chips, other wise, whats the point, in bringing out new chips at all, 6 months late, just to match the competition?
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Raw power is not necessarily what its all about though. BD may turn out on a like for like basis to have less raw processing power than SB. However if AMD brings them in at a price point that makes people go hmmm only x% less powerful than SB but xxx% cheaper, then I guess they are on to a winner ?

I think when Intel s latest offerings come out later in the year they will take BD back to the stone-age, but that's irrelevant if the price point is good and punters are getting good bang for their readies.
 
Thallium said:
dont need to post anything . Im just saying and cant prove anything yet for the reasons that OC and everyone has. All i can say is its good!

Think im full of crap forget you have read the post does not matter at all to me,but just remember and think **** that guy was right :)
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My prediction; It's going to be good.

See what I did there? It's not hard to make a very general and broad statement and then say that you were right.

That is like saying before the release of the 590 and the 6990 that they were going to be fast but expensive...

Fact is, if you did know anything tangible or specific you would add details, not say, it's good, give specifics or don't bother posting, everyone knows that it will be good.

I also doubt that it will beat SB, it probably will offer more performance per £, but after all it is about 6 months (?) too late...
 
Ohhhh come on AMD... how am I suppose to spec my new build if there is no chip to do it with! My patience is running out and my it itches thinking all the money sitting and waiting to be spent ;)

@wildman, I cant believe IB will be a major step forward for intel in terms of performance. They will probably get extra 20% no more, while the chip is going to be at least 20% more expensive Id say. SB and IB realease dates are too close to each other that intel would just abandon and would want to sell off all SB chips for nothing ;)
If BD chips are going to be on par or better than 2500K, for let's say even 90% of the cost then AMD gets a huge market for all office PC's, a lot of cheaper notebooks etc.

But we'll see...

They'd better get on with it...
 
qbazdz said:
Ohhhh come on AMD... how am I suppose to spec my new build if there is no chip to do it with! My patience is running out and my it itches thinking all the money sitting and waiting to be spent ;)

@wildman, I cant believe IB will be a major step forward for intel in terms of performance. They will probably get extra 20% no more, while the chip is going to be at least 20% more expensive Id say. SB and IB realease dates are too close to each other that intel would just abandon and would want to sell off all SB chips for nothing ;)
If BD chips are going to be on par or better than 2500K, for let's say even 90% of the cost then AMD gets a huge market for all office PC's, a lot of cheaper notebooks etc.

But we'll see...

They'd better get on with it...
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Thats what I was trying to say in a round about kind of way. BD will likely prove to be better value for money at that proce point so perfomance wise it wouldn't even need to beat a SB or IB so long as it comes in at a price that punter would be more likley to not be bothered with say a 10% performance drop.

Realistically speaking who really needs a SB clocked @ 5ghz ? Most of the time hardcore enthusiasts and benchers are the only people that care about numbers. Day to Day users just simply want to know if it can run their favourite games without going into slideshow mode and if it can handle normal daily tasks like photoshop / music / internet / mail applicaitons etc. SO It hink even if BD performance is sub SB it will still be a major win for AMD if the pricing is right.
 
wildman said:
However if AMD brings them in at a price point that makes people go hmmm only x% less powerful than SB but xxx% cheaper, then I guess they are on to a winner ?
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But the SB CPU's aren't horrendously expensive.....£160 for a 2500K that overclocks to easily past 4.2GHz is an amazing deal, and it pretty much takes away the ability for AMD to launch at a super cheap price (£120-£130) and still be able to say we are much cheaper for similar performance.

At this point i bet AMD are hoping for parity in performance terms, so they can price the CPU's at a similar level to SB....
 
Out of curiosity does anyone have a clue if an am3 waterblock will be compatable with am3+ i am doing my major upgrade after bd comes out and also going watercooling. If i know now that the blocks would be compatable i can at least get the watercooling bit out of the way to me i cannot see any reason why they wouldn't but some confirmation (looking at you JF :)) would be good.
 
Cooper said:
But the SB CPU's aren't horrendously expensive.....£160 for a 2500K that overclocks to easily past 4.2GHz is an amazing deal, and it pretty much takes away the ability for AMD to launch at a super cheap price (£120-£130) and still be able to say we are much cheaper for similar performance.

At this point i bet AMD are hoping for parity in performance terms, so they can price the CPU's at a similar level to SB....
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But to do that you have to put out more for the motherboard than the equivalent amd (where all the sata ports will be III). You also know it's new mobo now and new mobo next time where amd users will grab an am3+ mobo in the next few months then add an am3+ cpu later.

Performance per pound the 2500k is the best ship, no question or contest. However adding in the other costs and it rapidly become the chip which is not only overkill for the average user, but far more expensive too boot.
 
If we can get BD chip with 80% performance of 2500K for £120 plus a decent mobo for £100 (total = £220), than would you rather have a 2500K + mobo like Asus P8P67 for £300 for just the extra 20% performance?
(this is all on the assumption of similar o/c potential and comparable mobo spec)
 
RizlaKing said:
Out of curiosity does anyone have a clue if an am3 waterblock will be compatable with am3+ i am doing my major upgrade after bd comes out and also going watercooling. If i know now that the blocks would be compatable i can at least get the watercooling bit out of the way to me i cannot see any reason why they wouldn't but some confirmation (looking at you JF :)) would be good.
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Yes they are mate - its essentially the same size and slots - just the actual socket the cpu rests in is slightly different.

Just got my watercooling gear coming through in preperation for BD too :)
 
qbazdz said:
If we can get BD chip with 80% performance of 2500K for £120 plus a decent mobo for £100 (total = £220), than would you rather have a 2500K + mobo like Asus P8P67 for £300 for just the extra 20% performance?
(this is all on the assumption of similar o/c potential and comparable mobo spec)
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I'm picking up my SB system in the next week or so, and I've dabbled with the idea of waiting for BD to see what price the octo cores are coming out at.

At the moment though, I'm getting a 2500k and mobo for £270. Would I wait to make a £50 saving for a 20% performance hit? Don't really see the point. The saving is 3% of my budget and I'd rather just have it now than wait till june too.
 
JF-AMD said:
I can't see it but this is NOT a video from AMD. I did not approve any video of performance going out on server products and the desktop guys would come check with me if they were releasing a performance video (as I would do the same with them.)
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From the AMDZone website.
 
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inst the same guy that gibbo or someone else wrote post about him that they know the guy ? that got a job in amd
 
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