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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

If anyone on this thread owns a mountain bike I can guarantee you that I have a better bike than you. But I won't mock your shocks or your bike brand because it probably does everything you need it to do.


I just bought a new bike :(



Back on topic, I think we have clarified that there will not be benchmarks before launch, and then further clarified that (regrettably for us enthusiasts) this is the most sensible business decision.

The question remains however. When is the launch? I bet in 25 days.
 
ah touche :p well, either way im looking forward to it. correct me if im wrong but its the first total redesign of a chip amd has done in a while, so im sure it will be something special.
 
I think we have clarified that there will not be benchmarks before launch, and then further clarified that (regrettably for us enthusiasts) this is the most sensible business decision.

I still do not see it as a sensible business decision ... but what do I know, I mean clearly the CEOs of companies are so much smarter than me (even the bankers who managed to mess up)
 
I still do not see it as a sensible business decision ... but what do I know, I mean clearly the CEOs of companies are so much smarter than me (even the bankers who managed to mess up)

The business model of banks are completely different & the fact that you mention them means yeah what do you know about business.
 
That's a given. But that's a cop out reply.
My reply regarding Intel was that Intel was already in the lead, AMD are far far behind in performance per core. Because of all the AMD "Hush Hush" and their "AM3+ only for BD for official support" I sold my AMD 6 core and CH4 set up for an Intel Sandy Bridge.. Wish I'd been able to stay AMD personally.

And your in the 4% bracket that JF has already mentioned that may lose some people to Intel because of no benchmarks but the bigger picture is the OEMs & holding on to them is more important & they don't want benchmarks posted.
 
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And your in the 4% bracket that JF has already mentioned that may lose some people to Intel because of no benchmarks but the bigger picture is the OEMs & holding on to them is more important & they don't want benchmarks posted.

Given how Intel beats AMD I doubt OEMs sell that many AMD systems anyway
 
actually its a very large number. intel is expensive, amd offers quad/tri cores at comparitively cheap prices.

amd's chipsets often mean integrated graphics are also much much better than intel's, meaning laptop vendors are starting to use amd more often as well.

edit: and server wise, opterons are by far in the lead in terms of marketshare over xeons iirc.
 
I'm going to keep an eye out on the BD, as I soon want to change my processor.

I've been with Intel since my Pentium 4 (2.4ghz) and never really moved...

Lets see what will happen?
 
Being honest i doubt AMD would lose that much sleep if all the impatient people on here went SB i mean your a small percentage in an even smaller market segment in other words your irrelevent. No amount of moaning or complaining on forums is going to affect release in anyway and people only want benchmarks for their own selfish reasons they don't care about anything but themselves. Also a few of the people on here only want them in hope they are not x% faster then SB so can indulge in some more AMD bashing.

It's always good when someone from a company becomes a member of a forum and interacts with that community but from what i have seen were lucky JF is still here. Misquoted, misinterpreted and generally the object of some pretty stupid comments not a good way to keep a representative around is it. It will come out when it comes out and we the consumer will have the same choice then we always have mainly our budget, our needs and what best suits the two nothing new there.

Fanobys from either side can jog on as far as i am concerned they think they are the be all and end all but end up being nothing usefull or constructive. So lets just wait for the damn things and if you can't buy what your going too and stop whinging on here or expecting a large company to endulge your little temper tantrums.
 
AMD's performance will be better than current products as well.



There is quantifiable research. The "processor unaware" number is between 80-90% of the market. If I recall correctly, enthusiasts are ~4% of the overall market.

Processor unaware does not mean that they don't know what a processor is or they don't know the models, it means that a.) they don't know if processor x is better than processor y and that b.) when deciding on a computer they are choosing elements other than processor.

When you bought your last car, did you enquire about the brand of the engine? We all know that there are different engines. You probably went as far as to note the number of cylindars (i.e. number of cores) and *maybe* you noticed the horsepower (i.e. clock speed). But could you correlate all of the engine specs? How many of us even know what kind of engine is in their car? I only know I bought an infiniti, I don't know who built the engine. Nor do I care. But some sliver of the car market cares. The rest, like most of us, are "engine unaware." That does not make us stupid, it is just not something that matters to us.

If you don't believe an 80% number, do this. Go to a grocery store or a mall, stop 10 random people. Ask them what kind of processor they have. Maybe you will will get "intel" or "amd" out of half. Maybe 1 will be able to give you the model number. The vast market doesn't obsess on processors like this crowd will.

I can tell you ever single part on my bike, down the the stem length and angle (Thomson elite, 90mm, 5deg rise) but I don't even know who makes my car engine.

Although I agree with your points I have some critics to make;

Firstly the numbers you are pulling out come from nowhere, you can't just make up percentages, sure it may be an educated guess but based on what? Experience on such a small sample is irrelevant. This brings me to the second point that you say going to the grocery shop, come on 10 people sample is not enough so its actually invalid.

However I do agree with the points made, but I don't agree with any of those numbers.
 
One thing I can guarantee is that there will be benchies before launch ;) Just a shame not yet though lol

Everything gets leaked these days whether the manufacturer likes it or not :p
 
That's a given. But that's a cop out reply.
My reply regarding Intel was that Intel was already in the lead, AMD are far far behind in performance per core. Because of all the AMD "Hush Hush" and their "AM3+ only for BD for official support" I sold my AMD 6 core and CH4 set up for an Intel Sandy Bridge.. Wish I'd been able to stay AMD personally.

Yup I bought Martins stuff :) and to be honest it FLYS 6core 4ghz and 16gb ram with one of the best mainboards iv ever used (actually THE best mainboard iv ever had), and totally and utterly destroys my old Q6600 at 3.4ghz.

My main uses are photo editing though, so the software I use benefits from from more cores, its probably why iv seen such an increase. I also play games and to be honest anything from a Q6600 upwards is enough given its more about the graphics for games. So yeah I can play ALL games on max settings at 2560x1200 so its 'fast enough', haha

So the cost/performance was unbeatable, I also bought it being totally aware BD *may* be compatible with my board (its a risk as its not out yet), but as there is a beta BD bios on asus's site for the board id say there is a good chance.

So I can go from this to an 8 core, at probably a reasonably higher clock speed than 4ghz (given the die shrink), which again given my main uses, is just perfect :) even if it was 95% the speed of SB per clock, its still going to be an 8 core at more than 4ghz, for probably a reasonable(ish) price, which is frankly ridiculous, and really moves my photography editing along nicely, hey if its faster than SB then bonus, if not, big deal, it will all be in the same ball park....

If your into benches then buy the fastest, but its ultimately pointless if that's all you do with your PC.
 
Although I agree with your points I have some critics to make;

Firstly the numbers you are pulling out come from nowhere, you can't just make up percentages, sure it may be an educated guess but based on what? Experience on such a small sample is irrelevant. This brings me to the second point that you say going to the grocery shop, come on 10 people sample is not enough so its actually invalid.

However I do agree with the points made, but I don't agree with any of those numbers.

Dude, I think you're missing his point. I think everyone knows the sample size he mentions is too small and despite the sampling error, it may be enough to illustrate his point (ie. not many people will know the details about the cpu that's powering their home pc).

How would you react to his post if he said 'speak to 100 or even 500 people'?? You'd just laugh at him with another mindless remark like 'I don't have the time or the patience blah blah'.

His numbers may hold a lot more water than you think as i'm sure they pay marketing/consultancy firms a lot of money to do the research on their behalf where the sample size and geographical cover (etc) would be large enough to be statistically significant.

Like RizlaKing has pointed out, if we keep up with daft (bordering rude) comments like that then we'll never get this sort of rare interaction with informed representatives from companies like AMD. Kudos to them in fact.
 
Given how Intel beats AMD I doubt OEMs sell that many AMD systems anyway

I see you don't understand even though JF has made it clear many times.

Its not about whether AMD has a better CPU than Intel, its about supply chain & stock of existing AMD products that can end up being dead stock & no one wants to be left with it.

They want to sell what they have available now & not have people holding out because they seen some benchmarks of a product that is not available.
 
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Being honest i doubt AMD would lose that much sleep if all the impatient people on here went SB i mean your a small percentage in an even smaller market segment in other words your irrelevent. No amount of moaning or complaining on forums is going to affect release in anyway and people only want benchmarks for their own selfish reasons they don't care about anything but themselves. Also a few of the people on here only want them in hope they are not x% faster then SB so can indulge in some more AMD bashing.

It's always good when someone from a company becomes a member of a forum and interacts with that community but from what i have seen were lucky JF is still here. Misquoted, misinterpreted and generally the object of some pretty stupid comments not a good way to keep a representative around is it. It will come out when it comes out and we the consumer will have the same choice then we always have mainly our budget, our needs and what best suits the two nothing new there.

Fanobys from either side can jog on as far as i am concerned they think they are the be all and end all but end up being nothing usefull or constructive. So lets just wait for the damn things and if you can't buy what your going too and stop whinging on here or expecting a large company to endulge your little temper tantrums.

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Being honest i doubt AMD would lose that much sleep if all the impatient people on here went SB i mean your a small percentage in an even smaller market segment in other words your irrelevent. No amount of moaning or complaining on forums is going to affect release in anyway and people only want benchmarks for their own selfish reasons they don't care about anything but themselves. Also a few of the people on here only want them in hope they are not x% faster then SB so can indulge in some more AMD bashing.

It's always good when someone from a company becomes a member of a forum and interacts with that community but from what i have seen were lucky JF is still here. Misquoted, misinterpreted and generally the object of some pretty stupid comments not a good way to keep a representative around is it. It will come out when it comes out and we the consumer will have the same choice then we always have mainly our budget, our needs and what best suits the two nothing new there.

Fanobys from either side can jog on as far as i am concerned they think they are the be all and end all but end up being nothing usefull or constructive. So lets just wait for the damn things and if you can't buy what your going too and stop whinging on here or expecting a large company to endulge your little temper tantrums.

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