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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

really hope gigabyte somehow get thier 890FX UD5 to support it :( love this board, and it'd mean upgrading is much less expensive.

There will be one or two braves flashing the 3.1 bios to the 3.0 or below revision boards.

Unless there are massive revisions to the chipset, the bios should be (almost) compatible.

Assumes pin compatibility of course and it won't be supported by AMD or Gigabyte
 
I'm not saying they would officially be shouting it from the rooftops, but they would be making sure some sort of leak was made which showed loayal AMD buyers its was worth waiting for over the competition. So is BD not right around the corner then? coz its seems like talk of its release has been going on forever now.

Loyal AMD buyers are going to wait, just like loyal intel buyers wait for intel. Benchmarks won't change that.
 
Loyal AMD buyers are going to wait, just like loyal intel buyers wait for intel. Benchmarks won't change that.

That's the thing. I would say most ppl are not loyal to either Intel or AMD they may have a preference to one company over the other but that's not the same thing as being loyal. I can only speak for myself and a few ppl I know that have all gone down the SB route because BD is not out and we don't know if its was worth waiting for. I only upgrade my cpu every couple of years so had I known BD was going to whipe the floor with SB I would have waited a bit longer. Being loyal and putting money in either Intels or AMD's pockets for no other reason that you are a loyal customer and not because they deserve it and have the better product is just plain stupid as far as I am concerned.
 
There will be one or two braves flashing the 3.1 bios to the 3.0 or below revision boards.

Unless there are massive revisions to the chipset, the bios should be (almost) compatible.

Assumes pin compatibility of course and it won't be supported by AMD or Gigabyte

I think the board has dual bios as well, so of it fails it could revert. Will have to look into it
 
What about the people in the middle?

People in the middle are going to wait until the actual product is ready, they are not going to go on the word of a benchmark.

There are the following people in the market:

A. Intel loyalists, will only buy intel
B. AMD loyalists, will only buy AMD
C. The undecided, will buy what is best at the time that they are buying
D. Everyone else

Let's start with D first. The "everyone else" bucket is probably 80%+ of the market. They are going to buy based on something other than processor. We call them processor unaware. What kind of engine is in your car? What kind of transmission? While we all obsess about processors, the real world doesn't know/care. They worry about HD size, memory, screen, etc. For this group processor benchmarks don't matter because they don't know about processors. This is the group that might "wait it out because they heard there was a new model coming." They will buy whatever is in their budget range and will wait because they think they can get a lower price. So, they aren't going to buy bulldozer, they will still buy an athlon, only they will buy it a few months from now. Revenue delayed.

A will not buy bulldozer no matter what the benchmarks say
B will buy bulldozer no matter what the benchmarks say
C is a small slice of the processor aware market and while they might be swayed, they will probably not be swayed by a benchmark, they want real proof. Like 3rd party reviews.

The reality is that while you think that releasing benchmarks will get some people to jump ship, the majority of the processor aware market is biased in some manner so they just won't leave their current favorite, no matter what the numbers say.
 
I guess that makes me Category C then. I'm waiting to see BD's real world performance. I don't have a favorite. I have used Pentium 2/3s, AMD Athlons and the Bartons. Currently using Intel q6600. Not bothered if next will be SB or BD. Just real world usage figures will direct me.
 
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People in the middle are going to wait until the actual product is ready, they are not going to go on the word of a benchmark.

There are the following people in the market:

A. Intel loyalists, will only buy intel
B. AMD loyalists, will only buy AMD
C. The undecided, will buy what is best at the time that they are buying
D. Everyone else

Let's start with D first. The "everyone else" bucket is probably 80%+ of the market. They are going to buy based on something other than processor. We call them processor unaware. What kind of engine is in your car? What kind of transmission? While we all obsess about processors, the real world doesn't know/care. They worry about HD size, memory, screen, etc. For this group processor benchmarks don't matter because they don't know about processors. This is the group that might "wait it out because they heard there was a new model coming." They will buy whatever is in their budget range and will wait because they think they can get a lower price. So, they aren't going to buy bulldozer, they will still buy an athlon, only they will buy it a few months from now. Revenue delayed.

A will not buy bulldozer no matter what the benchmarks say
B will buy bulldozer no matter what the benchmarks say
C is a small slice of the processor aware market and while they might be swayed, they will probably not be swayed by a benchmark, they want real proof. Like 3rd party reviews.

The reality is that while you think that releasing benchmarks will get some people to jump ship, the majority of the processor aware market is biased in some manner so they just won't leave their current favorite, no matter what the numbers say.

Absolutely agree, the vast majority of customers buy a cheap machine from Dell/HP or whatever, with no care who the OEMs are. The only reason a standard, non-technical consumer would insist on Intel is because of the Intel advertising behemoth.

For those in the know, the decision should surely only be price-to-performance (including power etc) in the areas you care about. If you are a "fan", remember that these are capitalist companies, they ultimately exist to make money for themselves and shareholders, they don't _really_ care about you or reciprocate your 'love'.

And I also agree on the hype point. You want to release when the hype-curve is at its peak, so avoid hype too early or you'll be on the downside of the bell-curve when the product comes out and people's attention will have waned or been diverted elsewhere.
 
AMD are smart - they are copying Apple with their 'loose lips sink ships' policy. I guess because it seems to be so good, they want to do a 'f you' to Intel when they release it, like when Apple released the iPhone, it was a 'f you' to Nokia et al.
 
JF-AMD - bear in mind this is an enthusiast forum - we are not part of that 70% of common folk who don't care about the engine, hence the moaning about the lack of benchies..... :p

If BD doesn't perform as well as expected:
A)- no chance of getting BD
B)- Will stick with what they have if they are that loyal to AMD (until Bd can perform)
C)- Will go SB if BD doesnt perform
D)- Are going to go Intel irrespective, because of Intel's marketing power and push on OEM's.

If BD DOES perform as well as expected:
A)- Just going to be jealous - but still won't go BD
B)- Will go BD
C)- Will go BD
D)- Are going to go Intel irrespective, because of Intel's marketing power and push on OEM's.

Both B and C are waiting for Bulldozer - benchmark leaks would only push things in their favour rather than what most in the C category have done and jumped to sandybridge already (Fed-up waiting).

Leaked benchies will only work in the favour of AMD, NOT against them. Those waiting are getting fed up, those not waiting will get what they want now anyway (most likely SB as its the better performer)
 
Anticipation is a better selling point overall. Really I dont care about benchs that much, no doubt its an advance in some way.

Most important is price point and maybe AMD doesnt know how cheaply they can mass produce it yet. Could they mess up like that SB fault who knows
 
I'm happy to wait - as long as AMD don't start taking the mick with launch dates.

If BD performs - then i'll have a quad core model with a miniITX board. If not, it's an i7-2600S and an Intel DH67CF.

Of course, I also have the wait for miniITX boards, they never seem to launch with the bigger ones. But backwards compatibility would help in that regard, as I could drop the money on an 8 series chipset board in the meantime.
 
I think a large proportion of the people on this forum will pay an extra £50 to £100 for the best performing CPU. If bulldozer comes out and is able out perform my Intel chip then I will upgrade. Simples. For the sake of competition I hope this happens.
 
JF-AMD - bear in mind this is an enthusiast forum - we are not part of that 70% of common folk who don't care about the engine, hence the moaning about the lack of benchies..... :p

If BD doesn't perform as well as expected:
A)- no chance of getting BD
B)- Will stick with what they have if they are that loyal to AMD (until Bd can perform)
C)- Will go SB if BD doesnt perform
D)- Are going to go Intel irrespective, because of Intel's marketing power and push on OEM's.

If BD DOES perform as well as expected:
A)- Just going to be jealous - but still won't go BD
B)- Will go BD
C)- Will go BD
D)- Are going to go Intel irrespective, because of Intel's marketing power and push on OEM's.

Both B and C are waiting for Bulldozer - benchmark leaks would only push things in their favour rather than what most in the C category have done and jumped to sandybridge already (Fed-up waiting).

Leaked benchies will only work in the favour of AMD, NOT against them. Those waiting are getting fed up, those not waiting will get what they want now anyway (most likely SB as its the better performer)

Most people are C
 
And then sales would stall and our OEM partners would be asking for big checks to cover lost sales. It is bad business to release benchmarks too far ahead of the product. Everyone knows it is coming but when benchmarks hit people assume it is "right around the corner" so they wait.

People commenting on why AMD dont release benchmarks now need to read and re-read this over and over again until they understand what it means.

No amount of QQing that it will hurt sales or benefit AMD to release benchmarks will make them do so simply because of the above quote. Why would AMD put a noose around their neck for a tiny ammount of users, i sure as hell wouldn't.
 
Why would OEMs care, people who buy from OEM are not enthusiasts are not going to find out about benchmarks from enthusiast sites

And if they do find out about benchmarks then they must already know that BD is on the way and is better

Lastly SB is already better than anything AMD offers so people would be buying SB stuff from OEM anyway

The argument about OEM losing sales is totally flawed
 
JF-AMD, Kudos to you for your disclaimer, in the middle of being disciplined at work for something that should have absolutely nothing to do with them, something said on my own private page, in my private time with no names mentioned, have since added a similar (if not more colourful) disclaimer at the bottom of my page! :rolleyes:
 
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