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AMD Bulldozer Finally!
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Unless BD has some serious performance under the bonnet and can match Ivy bridge (which is what its upagainst due to delays) then it will only be marketed as a cheap cpu solution as the current phenoms are against the 'expensive' intel chips.
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ivy bridge isn't out till march/april. BD is out july/aug they aren't competing, plus amd is bringing out new chips next year.
BD only needs to match Sandybridge and be a lower price and they will sell very well as their gpu is miles better. Prices are more important that performance, even if their 8 core is only as good as the 2500K then that is still great as long as their price it lower due to their cpu using a higher TDP.
The tech sites were right about the delay and i'm sure they are right about the poor performance too so don't expect BD to be a Sandybridge killer, be glad intel will have some serious competition to force lower prices so we all benefit regardless of the brand we choose.
BD only needs to match Sandybridge and be a lower price and they will sell very well as their gpu is miles better. Prices are more important that performance, even if their 8 core is only as good as the 2500K then that is still great as long as their price it lower due to their cpu using a higher TDP.
The tech sites were right about the delay and i'm sure they are right about the poor performance too so don't expect BD to be a Sandybridge killer, be glad intel will have some serious competition to force lower prices so we all benefit regardless of the brand we choose.
Very true.. I just hope they get it sorted with the B3 stepping..
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I found these Metro 2033 benchmarks interesting.
It clearly shows the 2600k scoring the lowest minimum frames and the Phenom 2 6core the highest.
(I havent looked at the other benchmarks yet)
Oh dear, but then you look at these benchmarks the story is totally different.
I guess it comes down to the individual games, which architecture works better on which game and if the game scales better accross multi cores.
In other words its totaly inconclusive.
It clearly shows the 2600k scoring the lowest minimum frames and the Phenom 2 6core the highest.
(I havent looked at the other benchmarks yet)
Oh dear, but then you look at these benchmarks the story is totally different.
I guess it comes down to the individual games, which architecture works better on which game and if the game scales better accross multi cores.
In other words its totaly inconclusive.
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I don't think it's a case of poor performance.
ditto. for the first time since 1990...
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the never ending storrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy
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I was on another forum and interesting reason popped up for why AMD has decided to delay Bulldozer!
It maybe due to the capacity of the 32NM fabs at TSMC. Since Llano is the higher volume product it could probably mean that AMD simply cannot produce enough Bulldozer,Interlagos and Llano CPUs together ATM as these are all 32NM. In fact the same issue is happening with Zacate which is being made by Global Foundries.
It maybe due to the capacity of the 32NM fabs at TSMC. Since Llano is the higher volume product it could probably mean that AMD simply cannot produce enough Bulldozer,Interlagos and Llano CPUs together ATM as these are all 32NM. In fact the same issue is happening with Zacate which is being made by Global Foundries.
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I doubt they'd delay their most anticipated series for that, it'd be llano.
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Llano was meant to be Q3 2011 but was brought forward. If anything Llano is more important for the short term future of AMD. It will enable them to gain more traction in laptops and lower end desktops which are higher volume than higher end desktops. Zacate has done very well too and Interlagos(Bulldozer for servers) was Q3 2011 for a long time. On top of this AMD also displayed Trinity too.
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Zacate is 40nm, at TSMC, Llano and Bulldozer are at Global Foundries on 32nm, TSMC doesn't have a 32nm process at all, and it doesn't run any process's that are good enough for high end CPU's.
We really don't know how capacity strained Llano and potentially Bulldozer is, Llano is shipping but hasn't been for long and theres a delay between shipping and Dell and co selling loads of systems. Zacate AMD can't seem to make enough of, thats TSMC, trying to make Zacate/Ontario and AMD/Nvidia's entire GPU lineup, and a few other bits and bobs aswell, but then they've shipped millions upon millions of Zacate/Ontario's at this point anyway.
Until Bulldozer ships and hits retail and Llano systems have essentially become available everywhere it's impossible to gauge if Glofo has enough capacity or not.
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I got the fabs mixed up.
Actually, 5 million Zacate chips have been shipped. It seems that they did not anticpate the demand and hence cannot ship enough APUs in the immediate future.
I started this thread a few days ago:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18280925
On top of this Llano looks like the higher volume part and Bulldozer is not going to make it to notebooks until Trinity. AFAIK,AMD is the primary customer(and launch customer) for the new 32NM process at Global Foundries.
It could be simply a case of AMD wanting to make sure they launch Llano with enough available CPUs(not like with Zacate) and once this out of the way to concentrate on Bulldozer and Interlagos.
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Yep Llano will mean they will gain a huge increase in market share in laptops and desktops. current AMD laptop cpu's generate a lot of heat, hopefully the Llano will run cooler, intel have been dominant for years in laptop land as they have been faster and cooler and for a year or so have had intel hd gpu built in so smooth 1080p, the i3 and i5 hurt AMD's laptop sales. AMD will thrive now as there won't be much of a need of a 3rd party gpu so laptop manufacturers will be buying lots of Llano chips. The boards have sata6gbps and USB3 too, intel's laptops don't.
The future is very bright for AMD imo. Core i3/i5 are fast enough for 90% of users, if AMD's Llano can compete on cpu speed with those they will do very well indeed.
Bulldozer is only for expensive desktops and gamers who make up only a small segment of the market, its more of a showboating contest as people don't really buy £1000 desktops or laptops anymore, most people don't spend over £500/600 on laptops or desktops which is generally what the high end pre-built computers cost. You can get Core i5 laptops for £390-450.