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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

pmc25 said:
Pointless arguing, this is getting dull.

For the people who continually ask what NDAs are for ... this is precisely one of the reasons why. Some people have breached that, and now the **** hits the fan because they've published results on non-final setups.

Anyway, I'm out.
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No, this is what happens when you ship a product that doesn't meet expectations.
 
Martini1991 said:
Perhaps, but it's not going to go from meh to flipping brilliant with a BIOS update.

You choose to ignore what is shown. We've never chosen to ignore updates, we know there will be updates, we simply doubt the "SIGNIFICANT PERFORMANCE INCREASE" :p

This is what the latest CH V update is ;

Crosshair V Formula 0705 BIOS
1. Improve memory compatibility
2. Improve system stability
3. Fix USB 7/8 not work issue
4. Fix system may hang when use with Adaptec ASR-5805 Raid card
5. Add Spanish and Russian to BIOS steup.
6. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us


I don't see "EPIC PERFORMANCE INCREASE"
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So what get over it. Your posting are getting boring.
 
modez said:
So what get over it. Your posting are getting boring.
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And you're boring :p.

Edit: There have been THREE revisions since the BIOS you mention above. Now do you understand
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I understand there's been BIOS updates, but that doesn't mean it's made the CPU brilliant, if it was the case, the CPU's wouldn't have been shipped in current condition.
 
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gareth170 said:
why

its like releasing a graphic card, sometimes u don't see the full performance till new updates come
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Except it's not.
Drivers bring optimisations, as always, I won't deny performance increases. But this isn't the same.
In graphics cards, they compare all cards on the drivers they use when create the data. So all the cards in a chart will be using outdated drivers, so performance in all the other GPU's will have increased since their data was recorded.

We'll wait 3 days and see, but I'm telling you, BD's not going to go from meh to flipping brilliant from what we've seen.
 
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Martini1991 said:
Except it's not.
Drivers bring optimisations, as always, I won't deny performance increases. But this isn't the same.
In graphics cards, they compare all cards on the drivers they use when create the data. So all the cards in a chart will be using outdated drivers, so performance in all the other GPU's will have increased since their data was recorded.

We'll wait 3 days and see, but I'm telling you, BD's not going to go from meh to flipping brilliant from what we've seen.
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but bios's get impoved/ optimized also
 
I said about 150 pages back, i thought they were going to hit I7 920 performance which it looks like they might.
As for pinning hopes on an amazing BIOS update performance boost, well this isn't going to happen.
Is it a failure? not really as long as the CPUs are faster than the ones they currently have at that price point.
The thing is its been built up so much by some members on here as a sandy killer, which it was never going to do.
 
Sayso said:
I said about 150 pages back, i thought they were going to hit I7 920 performance which it looks like they might.
As for pinning hopes on an amazing BIOS update performance boost, well this isn't going to happen.
Is it a failure? not really as long as the CPUs are faster than the ones they currently have at that price point.
The thing is its been built up so much by some members on here as a sandy killer, which it was never going to do.
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How have they hit i7 920 performance? Unless you mean in heavily multithreaded app's, which are in the minority
 
I'm leaning towards Intel in this build up but people are getting out of hand saying AMD have failed already.

Remember the leaked info about an engineering sample and they claimed to only overclock to 4.2Ghz? AMD then officially break the world record with 8.49GHz followed by streaming live online a system running at 6.6GHz stable while gaming (when I tuned in, they might of hit the 7GHz goal but I don't know) and apart from requiring LN2 cooling it was not a short term overclock as they where intending to get 7GHz on a system gaming for 24hours...

So we have info that is most likely fake or not representative of the final product and people are making decisions on them. It's really not a strong foundation to build an opinion on and then broadcast to the world. We need sensible debate including context of any public info from people other than those under NDA.
 
stulid said:
AMD are in trouble.

The only way for them to rescue the situation is to play the "bang for buck" game again.
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Not really in "trouble" just look at llano and the new opterons. People keep forgetting just how small this market is in the grand scheme of things.
 
MichaelM said:
I'm leaning towards Intel in this build up but people are getting out of hand saying AMD have failed already.

Remember the leaked info about an engineering sample and they claimed to only overclock to 4.2Ghz? AMD then officially break the world record with 8.49GHz followed by streaming live online a system running at 6.6GHz stable while gaming (when I tuned in, they might of hit the 7GHz goal but I don't know) and apart from requiring LN2 cooling it was not a short term overclock as they where intending to get 7GHz on a system gaming for 24hours...

So we have info that is most likely fake or not representative of the final product and people are making decisions on them. It's really not a strong foundation to build an opinion on and then broadcast to the world. We need sensible debate including context of any public info from people other than those under NDA.
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I'm always wary when they have to resort to showing the product heavily overclocked using LN2 cooling to demonstrate how good it is. Why aren't they doing that with normal cooling?
 
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