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AMD Card price drop...?

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Jules said:
(Does Jaime Oliver's wife now works for Kit Guru?)

Whether a graphic card wins or loses a benchmark battle is almost entirely down to the price that the manufacturer wants to charge for it.

The actual line up from AMD and nVidia, when placed in a single column based on price, is called the product stack.

KitGuru learns of a move at the top end and renders the new pricing instantly, at HD resolution.

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While opinion on the new GTX660 card is mixed in the market (KitGuru loved it while other sites hated it), almost everyone agrees that the performance is strong. The price of the card itself is a little strange though. Roll back to the ’60′ cards of yesteryear and you find then around the £150-199 mark. Good examples include the 9600 and GTX260. While the GTX460 was in the same kind of zone, the GTX560 actually pushed the bar up to $299. However, nVidia CEO Jen Hsun Huang quickly realised that this was a mistake and the price of the GTX560 began to tumble almost immediately after launch.

With the first GTX660 card successfully through KitGuru Labs at £270, you can already see that the price for entry level 660 cards will land just under £250 (around $300).

Looking ahead, AMD has decided that strong action is needed to balance the two company’s product stacks and here are the latest likely street prices:-

* 1GB 7950 down $40 to $190
* 2GB 7850 also drops $40 to $210
* 2GB 7870 down $50 to $250
* 3GB 7950 down $30 to $320

One of the most interesting parts of this move is that the 3GB version of the 7950 now moves to almost exactly the same price as most of the GTX660 cards.

Given that the 2GB version of the 7950 was slightly edged out in more than half of the tests run by KitGuru Labs, AMD’s move seems intended to bring the 660 against the 3GB 7950 where benchmarks scores could be closer.

Overall, this amounts to something like a 10% price drop at the high end and closer to 20% as you drop down a little.

Whatever happens with the final price ‘in store’, it’s always good to see customers getting more for their money – and healthy competition drives that kind of value.

This move from AMD begs the question, “Will nVidia be forced to match the move?”. If so, it will create a huge amount of paperwork for both sides as their channel customers scramble to qualify for any kind of price protection.

One last point about the channel is that ONLY customers who have bought 100% from authorised distributors etc will get this kind of protection. Bad news for stores who might have chosen a ‘cheaper alternative route’ only to find that they are now sitting on stock at the wrong price. Given that most resellers will only make 10% on a graphic card, this kind of price move will wipe out any profit they might have hoped to make.

The news on a price cut to the 7950 I think is old, it's widely expected since at the moment since it's a bit close the GTX670 yet way of in terms of performance. However a 10% price cut on the 7850? I find that hard to believe, unless AMD expects Nvidia to adjust their pricing on the GTX660 any day now.
 
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Maybe the price drop will be in the USA but as usual, will not be here :(

even if you only take very recent history on 670 and 680 launch day prices vs. 2 months later, they all dropped by 15%~ quite quickly... wouldn't be surprised if the same happens with 660ti and then AMD pricing follows suit

but it will take a lot longer than in the US as the relative price of the 660ti is already lower in the US
 
The UK prices for the GTX660Ti is certainlly a disappointment, but yea certainly hope it would at least knock down the prices of the 78xx cards further.

I wouldn't think it would change much, the 7870 and 660ti are very evenly matched, but the 7870 is a little cheaper and has more OC headroom on average. Then again we dont know how well they are selling, if the 660's are selling really well and the 7870's aren't then perhaps they will drop the 78xx prices. I'm sure the 7850 is still selling really well as it has no real competition so I can't see those dropping prices.

I think AMD will be happy that nvidia are using a 296mm^2 chip to compete with AMD's 212mm^2 chip, it potentially gives AMD more wiggle room with prices.
 
I think AMD will be happy that nvidia are using a 296mm^2 chip to compete with AMD's 212mm^2 chip, it potentially gives AMD more wiggle room with prices.

Even though I do agree with you here, we must remember that Nvidia is using a third binned chip where as the 7870 is the top bin of it's chip.
 
Maybe the price drop will be in the USA but as usual, will not be here :(

Not "as usual" at all. You can already get 7950s for less than the American RRP in the UK. The RRP of the 7950 should be $350, which is £222+ VAT (£266) for reference models. Considering you can already get 7950s for less than £240 with a custom cooler, pre-tax prices are lower in the UK than they are in the USA.

This is generally the concern when it comes to price cuts. It's not that prices wont fall it just takes far too long at times.


See above, it doesn't really.


The UK prices for the GTX660Ti is certainlly a disappointment, but yea certainly hope it would at least knock down the prices of the 78xx cards further.

In that case, the 660 price should be a disappointment full stop, because again as above, if you look around you can pick up a 660Ti for a pre-tax price that's less than the US RRP conversion, with a game.

When people compare US to UK pricings, they nearly always forgot to include USA sales tax. When you include US sales tax, the prices are usually pretty even, or even a bit less for UK customers.
 
I don't know why AMD feel threatened. I know a lot of people buy nVidia on myths but the 660Ti is pants

It is not really pants though is it? Once a product has been out a little while and the price goes down slightly, then if it sits around the £200 mark it should be a fine card for that price. Launching a card that is a few series down from their flagship model, is not aimed at the highest end people, but people around the middle. So when the price is around the middle, it will be ok.

It is only the price that is against it, and it is a card that has only been out for a few days now.
 
It is not really pants though is it? Once a product has been out a little while and the price goes down slightly, then if it sits around the £200 mark it should be a fine card for that price. Launching a card that is a few series down from their flagship model, is not aimed at the highest end people, but people around the middle. So when the price is around the middle, it will be ok.

It is only the price that is against it, and it is a card that has only been out for a few days now.

It is completely pants. At least the 7850/7870 can handle higher settings if the user wants to push them and they have sizeable overclocking headroom.

I agree with your point on price. At £200 it becomes a lot more desirable but for a decent non-reference model you're looking north of £250 which is utterly ridiculous.

I can only summarise it on what it is now and how much it costs now.
 
Most things in this world come at a premium brand new, so hopefully once the 'must have' people have got themselves one, then they will drop the price. Also, if peoples general consensus is that it is too expensive currently, poor sales figures should persuade a drop also.

Stubbornness on behalf of people looking for a £200 card should hopefully lead it to becoming available for that price, roughly.

I am doing a new build in a few months and this is a card that I will be looking at come that time as it hopefully will be in the area I want to spend.
 
There's no denying it's a nice card if you want to run with post processing types of AA as the performance hit is tiny and the card is almost as fast as a 7950 on this basis.

It's MSAA that kills it but even 680's/7970's take a large hit when enabling it so it's not surprising.
 
Anyone reckon it's worth grabbing a 7950 now or waiting 2-3 weeks for a possible price drop?

I'm not expecting Mystic Meg predictions, just an educated guess :D
 
Just wait, what is the worst that can happen?

Oh, AMD planning on doubling the price of that specific card :-o Shocker!

I would wait a couple of weeks, set a specific date, if it hasn't decreased by then, just go for it anyway.
 
Its any bandwidth intensive applications that kill its performance, namely msaa as Rusty says but also bandwidth intensive games such as crysis 2. You can't say how good a card will be once it hits a certain price point, we can only go on here and now, and at the moment it is, and I quote "pants" :D

You can't say when it reaches £200 it will be a good card because for all we know by then the 7970 could be £200 and the 660 would still be pants.

Its a shame, especially after nvidias last card has released at a very competitive price point.
 
I don't know what the hell to do. I have just sold my 5850 and due to ship it tomorrow, so basically I need to order a replacement ASAP.

It really is between the 7950 and 670. Something tells me that once I buy a 7950 they will drop in price, but what are the chances of the 7950 dropping to below this price

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-054-HS ?

If the upcoming price drop brings all 7950's to about £239 then I can rest easy.

On the other hand I am looking at just getting a 670, but the cheapest reference models are about £280 and the stock coolers are meant to be rubbish.

What are the chances of the 670 dropping in price any time soon?
 
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