AMD CES 2018

AlamoX · 6 Jan 2018 at 00:25

im not expecting much from AMD, maybe talk about glofo's 14nm++ revision or as they call it 12nm, for ryzen+ parts.
i just hope they shrink polaris and vega, any extra hz would be great.
but my guess AMD is pretty happy with how things are going with mining, so they are probably not in a hurry.

jigger · 6 Jan 2018 at 12:30

AlamoX said:
im not expecting much from AMD, maybe talk about glofo's 14nm++ revision or as they call it 12nm, for ryzen+ parts.
i just hope they shrink polaris and vega, any extra hz would be great.
but my guess AMD is pretty happy with how things are going with mining, so they are probably not in a hurry.

I very much doubt it. It's almost impossible to buy a Vega or Polaris card at RRP.

jigger · 6 Jan 2018 at 12:32

JediFragger said:
Pipe dream. AMD gfx are at rock-bottom atm (high-end at least), they need to consolidate and re-group and not focus on outlandish cards (the power requirements would be mind-boggling)

So what? Give me a 350 watt Vega 56 at £300~ and Ill be happy. Very happy actually.

JediFragger · 6 Jan 2018 at 22:34

AlamoX said:
but my guess AMD is pretty happy with how things are going with mining, so they are probably not in a hurry.

Tbf, as long as they're making a crapload of money I'm happy for AMD. They need it

i'm hoping they can make the Ryzen refresh better overall for gaming, to be a viable option for people like me.

fs123 · 6 Jan 2018 at 22:47

jigger said:
So what? Give me a 350 watt Vega 56 at £300~ and Ill be happy. Very happy actually.

+1

The V56 and 1070 are both 390/970 successors and should be in the £250-£300 range. Sadly the manufacturers have moved the 1060/580 into that price slot.

Jono8 · 7 Jan 2018 at 01:03

AlamoX said:
im not expecting much from AMD, maybe talk about glofo's 14nm++ revision or as they call it 12nm, for ryzen+ parts.

Tech progress seems slow these days. I want 2019 to hurry up because I reckon zen 2 on 7nm is going to be brilliant. This zen+ I think will just be a slight clock and efficiency bump.

AlamoX · 7 Jan 2018 at 15:46

jigger said:
I very much doubt it. It's almost impossible to buy a Vega or Polaris card at RRP.

i know i'v been waiting for sapphire vega 56 like forever, and when it showed up it did at 700€, that's like 300$ over msrp.
but as i said, amd wouldn't risk increasing the production so they don't get stuck with piles of unsold gpus, and depanding on the cost of old 14nm and the new revision, it could turn out to be much better for amd to keep radeon as it is and just focus the revision for ryzen and possibly miobile apu.
pretty sure gaming desktop is the last thing amd thinks about right now, at least feels like it.

Kaapstad · 7 Jan 2018 at 15:55

Gibbo said:
I am getting some beers next week with some of the AMD top dogs, I will see what there is and see what I am allowed to divulge on anything if there is anything coming.

It would be good if you could speak to the NVidia top dogs too as I don't like having to buy certain products directly from them (like the Titan cards) as their customer service is not the best.

pete910 · 8 Jan 2018 at 00:43

Kaapstad said:
It would be good if you could speak to the NVidia top dogs too as I don't like having to buy certain products directly from them (like the Titan cards) as their customer service is not the best.

So why do it ?

ubersonic · 8 Jan 2018 at 00:54

pete910 said:
So why do it ?

Because it's the only option, duh

Kaapstad · 8 Jan 2018 at 01:36

pete910 said:
So why do it ?

The only other place you are going to get a Titan V is the US Army surplus.

shankly1985 · 8 Jan 2018 at 07:03

AlamoX · 8 Jan 2018 at 08:31

Haha
I was right. Amd dont care much about gaming desktop glofo revision will be just for ryzen and radeon products will have To wait a year or so for anything new.
Sux but to be honest its just common sense.

Kirby Wurm · 8 Jan 2018 at 09:51

I wasn't expecting any graphics news but it reminds me of how depressing the market is at the moment. Progress is slow, competition is dead, prices are very high.

fs123 said:
+1

The V56 and 1070 are both 390/970 successors and should be in the £250-£300 range. Sadly the manufacturers have moved the 1060/580 into that price slot.

Exactly.

Samwell · 8 Jan 2018 at 10:07

Great CPU Roadmap, but GPU wise even worse than i expected. I thought they at least try to compete with 12nm refreshes with Nvidia. But it seems they've given up Gaming totally for this Gen and the next Desktop GPUs will come ~Q2 19. Earn as much as you can with mining and concentrate on navi 7nm.

pete910 · 8 Jan 2018 at 10:43

ubersonic said:
Because it's the only option, duh

Erm, No, The other is not too

pete910 · 8 Jan 2018 at 10:43

Kaapstad said:
The only other place you are going to get a Titan V is the US Army surplus.

Better get a team together then !!!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 8 Jan 2018 at 11:37

Vega is being shrunk to 7NM this year:

https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/113903-amd-details-2018-plans-radeon-gpus/
https://videocardz.com/74690/amd-updates-gpu-roadmap-with-7nm-vega

Edit!!

From the Vega GPU article on Hexus:

It is likely that a variant of that GPU will find itself as the guts of the Radeon Vega mobile discrete GPU line-up, though other than mentioning the impressive 1.7mm package z-height and HBM2 memory usage (which is the same as the Intel SKU), no details were given with respect to specifications, performance, and release date.

So,AMD has access to Intel packaging tech too?? Isn't that meant to drop cost over using a full interposer?? This could be a big deal if it turns out to be true.

doodah · 8 Jan 2018 at 12:00

Expectations firmly set to low. The inevitable hype train can jog on.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 8 Jan 2018 at 12:04

Well the fact AMD announced mobile Vega,hints a new 24 CU part is being released. I do wonder if the 7NM shrink of Vega will be a straight shrink or will it have some extra shaders,etc??

It seems Global Foundries 7NM is being used:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1223...ealed-with-ryzen-apus-zen-on-12nm-vega-on-7nm