Soldato
Not really, Alder lake was not in stock at Amazon for months after release and when in stock it's mostly through third party sellers at higher pricing than other retailers.
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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022
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Not really, Alder lake was not in stock at Amazon for months after release and when in stock it's mostly through third party sellers at higher pricing than other retailers.
Caporegime
For a couple of generations now, about since Zen 3, Intel's Motherboard prices seem to be out of whack, they certainly are now with ADL, i have a suspicion, and it is only a suspicion that Intel are trying to make back the margins lost on the CPU's with the chip-sets on the motherboards.
Kind of "look at how inexpensive our CPU's are" Kudos from Steve Walton and other idiots on Youtube... while the cost of the Chip-sets on the motherboards is high and that drives the price of those up.
I wouldn't be surprised if mobo makers are more keen to play ball with Intel given that they can sell new mobos much more easily since Intel switches chipsets out like socks, unlike with AM4 where those would last more CPU gens. I think people underestimate the politics of this business in how it drives this kind of decision-making as it relates to the products themselves.
B550 are bound to be cheaper as they are around 2 years old now and X570 3 years old, B660 has only been out 2 months so not sure what you expect.
Will be interesting to see the price on the AM5 boards when those arrive with similar tech to what's on the LGA1700 boards and see how the prices compare then.
One things for sure if you want a cheap AMD system then now is the time to build as AM5 is likely to be double the cost of an AM4 set up core for core.
Will be interesting to see the price on the AM5 boards when those arrive with similar tech to what's on the LGA1700 boards and see how the prices compare then.
One things for sure if you want a cheap AMD system then now is the time to build as AM5 is likely to be double the cost of an AM4 set up core for core.
But they are in stock now and still AMD are dominating sales
If AMD was dominating sales then they wouldn't be slashing prices and releases cheaper equivalent SKUs.
Caporegime
Or they are just tackling Intel at every price point to stop them gaining momentum.
This, AMD is literally beating Intel in every major IT retailer, i have yet to find relevant shop where Intel have top places. Zen 3 is perfect example of success product, in his prime when it had leading performance it also had very high prices but it dind't stop them to have top sales, then after Intel released new architecture and claimed leadership performance, AMD still retained good sales. ADL has discounted price from the beginning and still can't beat AMD in sales. Intel doesn't have mindshare anymore so they can't replicate Zen 3 formula.
Soldato
Link to all these figures please
EDIT:your ninja was too slow. I await all the sales figures from every 'major' retailer, ta.
Caporegime
Yes i forgot about that, ADL has been running continuous discounts for weeks, less than 5 months and they are already in the discount bin. Great success.....
Soldato
I still don't see the relevance of sales numbers for the end consumer. If it's in stock, then the price and performance in people's PC's is what matters.
Sales numbers sound more like a means of keeping score for "your team".
Such stats don't make anyone's games or programs run any faster.
Sales numbers sound more like a means of keeping score for "your team".
Such stats don't make anyone's games or programs run any faster.
Caporegime
If long term competition is what you want it matters, in revenue terms Intel are still 4X the size of AMD, what that means is AMD are in direct conflict with someone who has 4X the war chest, so AMD are still ill-equipped to withstand Intel's past shenanigans.
Soldato
That's why I was happy when Intel got back on top. I'm happy that AMD dropped prices to compete, (Even picked up a discounted 5950X) and I look forward to AMD and Intel going after each other with the next-gen stuff.
I'm a little disappointed that AMD isn't offering an improved "no-compromises" 12 and 16-core part on AM4, but the price cuts on the existing stuff was a decent consolation prize.
The new parts MSRPs really goes to show how much AMD was milking consumers with the original SKUs especially so given the subsequent TSMC price rises and the fact that AMD can still afford to cut 50% off the mainstream lineup and are making a profit.
Why? You are only looking at that through your own blue tinted glasses. yields are up so they can produce ,ore chips, meaning they can male lower end chips. Reports of low end Zen 3 have been around since launch, maybe supply chain now allows that. As for price cuts, if rumors are true they may well be clearing stock of high end sku's ready for teh Q3 release of Zen 4. Also opening up X370 to support the new low chips gives many more users a upgrade path. Sudden release of low end parts also tells me AMD will only be targeting the high end parts at teh start of Zen 4 launch cycle. All of these points make ,ore sense then your theory, If ADL was such a threat AMD would have reacted much sooner
Really? If so then you could say this about teh manufactureere of most products. How many price reductions do Playstations and Xbox have over there life cycle? Does this mean the Sony and Microsoft was milking the customer when laynching the product or where they covering R&D costs and production costs of a new product (which would decrease over time) most manufactureers reduce prices towards the end of a products life cycle. It is as simple as that
I'll use OCUk as an example as cannot link to competitors but if you clcik on processors and search most sold 5600, 5800, 5900 and 5950 all make an appearence in the list before any Intel cpu. A search for a top American chain has 6 AMD CPU in the top 10 with the top 2 being AMD. No i am not an AMD fanboy I have 2 Intel systems and 1 AMD system in the house, just stating facts that are easily found onlineLink to all these figures please
EDIT:your ninja was too slow. I await all the sales figures from every 'major' retailer, ta.
Soldato
Not exactly data now is it. What I took issue with was the 'AMD is literally beating Intel in every major IT retailer' when that is just hyperbolic fanboy nonsense and retailers rarely give such detailed information out to the public let alone 'every major IT retailer'.
That is a fair point, it is not solid sales figures, i understand that but even then it is a reasonable conclucion to come to when looking at best sellers list of teh top resellers but i do see your point
AMD waited till the cheaper B660 was out before cutting prices rather than release it probably also gave them some time to evaluate the situation
Also do you really think binning has improved that much in the last few weeks that AMD are now able to almost double the amount of CPUs released. It's obvious that a drop off in sales due to ADL meant there is now a surplus of parts which first resulted in price cuts on the original line up and now new additions.
Actually Sony and MS didn't cut the price of the ps4/Xbox much over the life as they have tight margins. Gpus don't see much in the way of cuts either by the manufacturers.
Even the bios support being deliberately withheld on 300 series boards was designed to milk as much money from those who supported the platform at release in forcing them to upgrade to the later boards for a CPU upgrade only to now be told that AMD will now support the boards after many already upgraded.
I do think you are right that Zen 4 will launch with the small expensive lineup though to limit choice and once again milk the consumer unfortunately but I'm sure there will be plenty of defenders out in force trying to justify this.
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