AMD Desktop Kaveri APU With 13 CUs Enabled Radeon R5 M200 (832 Stream Processors) GPU Spotted

Boomstick777 · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:10

In addition to the launch of their Hawaii GPU in early Q4 2013, AMD would also unleash their latest Kaveri APU for the desktop FM2+ platform in late Q4 2013. AMD’s Kaveri APUs would feature the latest core architecture along with enhanced GCN graphics on a single die package.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-desktop-kav...-stream-processors-gpu-spotted/#ixzz2fXJUsDAF

JediFragger · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:14

Hmmm, could be interesting for a low budget gaming machine...

Boomstick777 · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:17

GP Processing:

AMD Kaveri APU R5 M200 @600 MHz (DDR3-1600) - 709.6 MPix/s
AMD Richland APU HD 8670D @844 MHz (DDR3-2133) - 239.3 MPix/s

If legit, that is a massive improvement. AMD could be onto a real winner here...

spicypixel · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:30

m-ITX winner seemingly. Makes for ideal console/HTPC builds.

teppic · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:33

I guess it depends what the graphics improvements equate to. Steamroller's processing power will increase, which will make the i3 even more pointless. If the GPU can exceed the 7750, then you've got a pretty powerful base, plus the ability to crossfire with an actual 7750/7770, to give very respectable gaming performance.

Davedree · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:35

Boomstick777 said:
GP Processing:

AMD Kaveri APU R5 M200 @600 MHz (DDR3-1600) - 709.6 MPix/s
AMD Richland APU HD 8670D @844 MHz (DDR3-2133) - 239.3 MPix/s

If legit, that is a massive improvement. AMD could be onto a real winner here...

If it's still using DDR3 for the memory bus then nope it's going to be disappointing.

Boomstick777 · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:43

Davedree said:
If it's still using DDR3 for the memory bus then nope it's going to be disappointing.

Um... You expect Kaveri to use DDR5 system ram? FM2+ is DDR3 based, I'm not sure what you expected tbh..

Anyway, it looks set to have about 3 times the GPU power than Richland, so impressive to most people

. Be interesting to see how much better the Steamroller based CPU cores are as well. Kaveri has awesome potential.

Cooper · 21 Sep 2013 at 15:58

Contender for the innards powering the rumoured Steambox?

4 steamroller cores and a 7750/7770 class GPU would seem reasonable for a low cost box.

Martini1991 · 21 Sep 2013 at 16:12

This should have been the APU for the consoles in all honesty.

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 21 Sep 2013 at 16:22

Martini1991 said:
This should have been the APU for the consoles in all honesty.

Knowing bugger all about the consoles where does this sort of thing land in terms of performance vs say a ps4? (if its even possible to compare them)

Martini1991 · 21 Sep 2013 at 16:27

Jaguar cores are low power, and engines will have to be heavily threaded to use them.

Truth is, we don't really know yet.
But 8 Jaguar cores isn't exactly going to set the world alight.

teppic · 21 Sep 2013 at 16:39

Everything's a bit unknown at the moment. New engine games should run very well on Kaveri, but AMD needs an 8 core desktop CPU based on Steamroller.

FM2+ boards are available any day now, and it's looking more promising that Kaveri will actually make 2013 after all.

Rroff · 21 Sep 2013 at 16:43

Boomstick777 said:
GP Processing:

AMD Kaveri APU R5 M200 @600 MHz (DDR3-1600) - 709.6 MPix/s
AMD Richland APU HD 8670D @844 MHz (DDR3-2133) - 239.3 MPix/s

If legit, that is a massive improvement. AMD could be onto a real winner here...

Over double the number of cores tho on the newer one and pixel fillrate doesn't really tell a huge story these days in terms of actual day to day use performance - however some rough scratching seems to show based on initial data that the SPs are ~60% faster clock for clock at number crunching, guessing theres a bit more to the story than that tho.

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 21 Sep 2013 at 16:51

Okay one more question to astound people with my ignorance

How do they fit the apu's on a chip that may be the equivalent of a GPU that is housed on a comparatively huge circuit board? Has technology progressed that much since the 77** series first came out?

Cooper · 21 Sep 2013 at 17:38

Martini1991 said:
But 8 Jaguar cores isn't exactly going to set the world alight.

Especially when it's likely that only 6 of them will be available for games.

Davedree · 21 Sep 2013 at 17:45

Boomstick777 said:
Um... You expect Kaveri to use DDR5 system ram? FM2+ is DDR3 based, I'm not sure what you expected tbh..

Anyway, it looks set to have about 3 times the GPU power than Richland, so impressive to most people . Be interesting to see how much better the Steamroller based CPU cores are as well. Kaveri has awesome potential.

Well with the rumours of on stack ram, gddr5/ddr4 +ddr3 twin memory controllers or L4 cache etc it's still uncertain. We can only hope that Amd doesn't disappoint us.

What I'm saying is if it does come out with ddr3 then it would be pointless having anymore than 512 gcn cores, So that 3x the power of Richland will not be seen As you are limited by the memory bandwidth of shared ddr3. In other words it won't be able to provide sufficient 1080p game play but almost 1680x1050. I want to see 7750 gddr5 performance coming from Kaveri,
Considering how Lazy and disappointing Richland was with the rebranded gpu.

Davedree · 21 Sep 2013 at 17:54

Ths is the closest I can provide to what I am talking about,
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7730-cape-verde-review,3575-4.html

Boomstick777 · 21 Sep 2013 at 18:49

It certainly won't be pointless having more than 512 GCN Cores. The more the better, that goes for CPU cores as well.

It's easy to be negative about stuff, obviously we would all like dedicated GPU like performance from a cheap all in one package, but let's take a reality check for a minute. DDR5 as system ram is still a ways off. Kaveri + Steamroller core on DDR3 is a step in the right direction, and will be a big step up from Richland.

AMD are definitely on to a good thing with APU's. Progress is progress, Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

d_brennen · 21 Sep 2013 at 18:54

Martini1991 said:
Jaguar cores are low power, and engines will have to be heavily threaded to use them.

Truth is, we don't really know yet.
But 8 Jaguar cores isn't exactly going to set the world alight.

Jaguar cores clock for clock are as fast as Piledriver modules and the overhead for running Windows is massive. PS4 being fixed platform, expect some amazing games once devs are up to speed

Davedree · 21 Sep 2013 at 18:58

Boomstick777 said:
It certainly won't be pointless having more than 512 GCN Cores. The more the better, that goes for CPU cores as well.

It's easy to be negative about stuff, obviously we would all like dedicated GPU like performance from a cheap all in one package, but let's take a reality check for a minute. DDR5 as system ram is still a ways off. Kaveri + Steamroller core on DDR3 is a step in the right direction, and will be a big step up from Richland.

AMD are definitely on to a good thing with APU's. Progress is progress, Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

I think you need to learn about memory bandwidth and how it affects resolution.
You've totally ignoring the point that ddr3 shared system memory will constrain
any performance gains at higher than 1680x1050 resolution, so no it won't be a big step up from Richland if on ddr3 thats my point.

Kaveri is about huma, hsa and cpu-gpu compute. Its the real fusion that they have talked about for years, If they want people to take their apus seriously they need to push the boundaries, SO that developers in software can then take their architecture and work with it. Why did Intel manage to catch up so qickly and exceed amd Llano and Trinity gpu performance, Why does haswell in the iris config feature edram?