AMD Desktop Kaveri APU With 13 CUs Enabled Radeon R5 M200 (832 Stream Processors) GPU Spotted

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 17:51

There's no doubt that AMD sees the future as the APU. They're at a disadvantage with the FX chips having no IGP. Motherboard manufacturers aren't keen on making micro ATX or mini ITX boards because of it.

If Kaveri is matching a 7790, and has L3 cache, plus the increase of Steamroller does turn out to be 20%+, they're going to have an absolutely brilliant chip.

Martini1991 · 23 Sep 2013 at 17:57

humbug said:
It looks like they are gunning for IrisPro, perhaps, thanks to that its another red hot poker up AMD and its forced them to actually do something properly with what they have.

IrisPro was a quick dirty thing to be honest (Given how big it is), somewhat surprising from Intel, giving they're quite meticulous these days.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 Sep 2013 at 19:07

Looking at the clockspeeds and memory bandwidth available,I would hazard a guess that the IGP will probably be between HD7750 GDDR3 and HD7750 GDDR5 level performance,probably closer to HD7750 GDDR5 level as many modern games are more shader heavy. Remember that even with GDDR5,832 shaders at 600MHZ are probably slower than 640 shaders at 1GHZ,which the HD7770 GDDR5 has.

However,in compute performance the IGP is going to be a monster when compared to the HD8670D.

With the improved CPU cores,I suspect Kaveri is going to be a good general purpose CPU.

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 19:10

If it can't beat a 7750 it'll be a bit disappointing, but that'd still be a huge improvement. And Crossfire it with a discrete 7750 and you've got something like 7870/7950 performance I guess.

Davedree · 23 Sep 2013 at 20:33

duplicate thread humbug http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18543647
I predict it'll perform between a 7730 ddr3 and a 7750 ddr3. Doesn't matter how good the front end is you need around 70gb/s memory bandwidth for 1680x1050. So if its targeted for 1368x768 it'll perform well but over 1680x1050 it'll struggle

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 21:02

It's not going to be that bad. You can play LFD2/HL2 at 1080p on max settings on the current APUs.

Davedree · 23 Sep 2013 at 21:11

teppic said:
It's not going to be that bad. You can play LFD2/HL2 at 1080p on max settings on the current APUs.

lol suprised you forgot to include
dirt3. How about 1680/1080p without aa on Modern games? We'll see how it turns out.

d_brennen · 23 Sep 2013 at 21:16

Martini1991 said:
The potential on Kaveri is literally through the roof.

I hear it's over 9000!

Seriously, 7750 DDR3 performance will not be too disappointing, Kaveri 2.0 is slated for Q3 2014

Jarrastafari · 23 Sep 2013 at 21:56

Exciting times!

Jarrastafari · 23 Sep 2013 at 22:00

Cooper said:
Contender for the innards powering the rumoured Steambox?

First thing that came to my mind.

Kobi · 23 Sep 2013 at 22:25

Just need to hope we don't get excited over nothing. Same with steamroller. Would be like bulldozer all over again.

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 22:29

Kobi said:
Just need to hope we don't get excited over nothing. Same with steamroller. Would be like bulldozer all over again.

You're sounding more pessimistic than Martini.

Piledriver needs about 10-15% extra on the cores to perform really well. Steamroller will hopefully give more than that.

Kobi · 23 Sep 2013 at 22:49

Haha nah, I just remember myself and many others being very much let down. I just really want them to do well, that's all.

humbug · 23 Sep 2013 at 23:45

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Looking at the clockspeeds and memory bandwidth available,I would hazard a guess that the IGP will probably be between HD7750 GDDR3 and HD7750 GDDR5 level performance,probably closer to HD7750 GDDR5 level as many modern games are more shader heavy. Remember that even with GDDR5,832 shaders at 600MHZ are probably slower than 640 shaders at 1GHZ,which the HD7770 GDDR5 has.

However,in compute performance the IGP is going to be a monster when compared to the HD8670D.

With the improved CPU cores,I suspect Kaveri is going to be a good general purpose CPU.

I suspect at 600Mhz they are the mobile variant, I could be wrong but I think that's whats listed here.

The Desktop variant should be clocked at ~1Ghz.
Keeping in mind that a 7770 has 640 SP's @ 1Ghz, one of these with 832 SP's I can see being as fast as a GDDR5 7770, its almost as many SP's as the 7790 @ 896 SP's.

Some may think "meh... 7770 performance" but for integrated Graphics that is some serious horse power, its a significant leap forward.

Just on a side note, just a week ago I would have said there is no way in hell they have squeezed a 7790 onto the same DIE as the CPU.

But with the rumours floating around about AMD's new Hawaii GPU having grown 30 / 40% in technical specification while only actually growing 15%~ in physical size makes me think again, somehow (and there are real ways to do it if there is room for it) it seems AMD have managed to process shrink without actually shrinking the DIE, and quite significantly so.

Not with standing the truth behind those rumours, they sure do look reliable.

Anyway, this is duplicate thread, can a mod merge these please? thanks

humbug · 24 Sep 2013 at 00:12

Martini1991 said:
Jaguar cores are low power, and engines will have to be heavily threaded to use them.

Truth is, we don't really know yet.
But 8 Jaguar cores isn't exactly going to set the world alight.

On the other hand 8 low performance cores is a good idea for game development, just coding everything on one or two thread wont do with it, it will force game devs to spread the workload across many more threads / cores and the result of that is no more bottlenecking the GPU on AMD and Intel CPU's.

Boomstick777 · 24 Sep 2013 at 00:15

humbug said:
On the other hand 8 low performance cores is a good idea for game development, just coding everything on one or two thread wont do with it, it will force game devs to spread the workload across many more threads / cores and the result of that is no more bottlenecking the GPU on AMD and Intel CPU's.

Agreed, taking full advantage of more cores can only be a good thing. Look forward to seeing games being developed with this in mind and how they run on AMD's Steamroller architecture. My last AMD chip was a 1055T, would love to have a reason to go back to an AMD CPU. 8 core Steamroller may be it...

teppic · 24 Sep 2013 at 00:30

It'll mean all the new engines can slot right onto AMD's architecture both in consoles and PCs and run very well. The current 8 core CPUs will make the most of it.

I want an 8 core Steamroller CPU - I just don't know when it's coming and in what form it'll be.

tbh · 24 Sep 2013 at 00:34

Cooper said:
Contender for the innards powering the rumoured Steambox?

As I understand it Steam box will be an open format which Valve will license to various manufacturers; wouldn't be surprised at all to see several of them go for a Kaveri based solution, seems like a perfect match.

teppic · 24 Sep 2013 at 00:37

tbh said:
As I understand it Steam box will be an open format which Valve will license to various manufacturers; wouldn't be surprised at all to see several of them go for a Kaveri based solution, seems like a perfect match.

Valve is announcing its own piece of hardware in addition to SteamOS. Nobody has any clue what it'll be though.

tbh · 24 Sep 2013 at 00:49

teppic said:
Valve is announcing its own piece of hardware in addition to SteamOS. Nobody has any clue what it'll be though.

The old rumour threads I read seemed to think a Nvidia solution was more likely due to them having a better relationship with Valve and better Linux driver support, how much truth is in that though I don't know.