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AMD E3 Page

Havana_UK said:
We've left the days of massive performance gains from generation to generation behind IMHO. We're now entering a phase of incremental gains, mainly driven by improved process geometry.

The reality is that we don't need more GPU horsepower right now. All of the current generation of mid-high and top-end GPUs can drive the latest games at maximum settings at typical 1080 resolution. Of course it's always nice to have more so that those enthusiasts can run 1440/1600, 3D, multiscreen etc, but those few are the minority. Anyone with a GTX670/HD7950+ can run everything maxed in a typical setup, and anyone with a GTX660/HD7850 can max out most things.

It needs the new gen consoles launched with the developers pushing that hardware before the current crop of GPUs will show their age.
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I'm with you there "Havana". Nvidia and AMD have both checked their production and development capabilities against the new consoles (not together of course) and mulled over their separate agendas and (obviously I'm guessing here) followed the paths we, as customers, are arguing over. I'm thinking, Nvidia gives us their Titans as expensive eye candy and AMD gives us their delays. Needless to say I would have pressed the trigger on a Titan myself but they were nearly £1000 when I was upgrading and I was looking for SLI as well (£2000:eek:).

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I'm with "Rusty0611" with the "your" and "you are" (you're) corruption..................... It dun do my hed in it do :)
 
Martini1991 said:
If it's called GCN2, it's not really completely new, it's just an improvement on the original.
Even if it wasn't called GCN2, we still know what it is.

It's very likely to be 28nm.
But as said, all it's doing is lengthening the 28nm era, with the time difference between the 7XX and 8XXX.

20nm shouldn't be too far away from the October launch (They could probably get 20nm GPU's out by Q2 2014) that's the problem. Unless AMD are about to release like 2 GPU generations in a 6 month time scale, it allows for Nvidia to be able to launch 20nm while there being a reasonable time passed from their 7XX (Not sure that they would though)

I don't know why more people aren't annoyed, it's just lengthening the time we have to wait for a proper performance gain.
I mean even now a 7970 at 1920x1080 won't be able to max everything.
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IMO its going to be a 28nm refresh in October, Then Nvidia with 20nm in Q2 2014 and AMD with 20nm in Q3 2014.

I'm fine with that, I want AMD to wait for Nvidia this time round, with 20nm, I don't want them to rush in like they did with 28nm, this time they should wait for Nvidia to show their hand instead of showing their hand to Nvidia like they did with current GPU's.

The 28nm HD 8000 right now would be nice, sure. But they have no reason to release them now as current GPU's are competing well, it also makes sense to release them along with BF4 and ride the hype of that. Plus it may force Nvidia's hand that close to 20nm.
 
The only thing that showing hands can really effect is the pricing, as they can't make a new GPU to combat it straight away, the best they can do is up clocks (Such as the 6XX series for example, Nvidia got to make killer profits on their cards as they only had to make them clock up so high to reach parity at launch.)
 
Martini1991 said:
The only thing that showing hands can really effect is the pricing, as they can't make a new GPU to combat it straight away, the best they can do is up clocks (Such as the 6XX series for example, Nvidia got to make killer profits on their cards as they only had to make them clock up so high to reach parity at launch.)
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How many reviews are still out there and being use with the 800Mhz 7950 and 925Mhz 7970?

AMD got to confident with the GCN GPU's and left 40 / 50% overclocking room, Nvidia seen it and set 20% higher clocks, so right from the start the net was flooded with the GTX 670/80 beating the "on the freaking floor" clocked 7950/70.
Those reviews are still used today, they show skewed results because of AMD's hair brained decision to clock them low, its still doing a lot of damage to AMD's sales because the majority take those reviews at face value.

Its all about how it looks on reviews, Nvidia know that, AMD need to learn it.

Wait, look, make sure you better it.
Simple.
 
what has been is no matter, what is to be is.
amd will with the console deal gain have a great advantage.
they will catch up and surpass nvidia with the frame sync with multi gpu as they already done so with single cards.

Once that happens, Nvidia will go away as 3dfx.
 
flopper said:
what has been is no matter, what is to be is.
amd will with the console deal gain have a great advantage.
they will catch up and surpass nvidia with the frame sync with multi gpu as they already done so with single cards.

Once that happens, Nvidia will go away as 3dfx.
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Its extremely unlikely Nvidia will go the same way as 3dfx.

In fact, while AMD's revenue income is about the same as Nvidia, AMD are physically twice the size of Nvidia with much greater overheads and debts.
The good news now for AMD is they have paid down the majority of debts to bring them all down to a manageable level, they have also shrunk their physical size and overheads, with more of all that to come. As of the last quarter AMD were still not profitable, but they did better the predictions of their fanatical situation at that point, and still have a lot of cash and assets, more than enough to continue on through 2014 at current levels of looses.

The difference in revenue structures is, GPU sales make up a far higher percentage of revenue for Nvidia than GPU sales do for AMD.
AMD's revenue is made up of

A, Both retail and commercial CPU's

B, GPU's

C, AMD own the SeaMicro server company

D, a portfolio of Intellectual Property, such as the 64Bit part of all CPU's, including Intel who licence that from AMD, Motherboard Chip-Sets, The GPU in the xBox 360 and Nintendo Consoles, some of the technology you find in medical equipment, car Dashboard computers, TV's....

Nvidia's revenue is made up of.

A, GPU's.

B, Mobile SoC Chips, the CPU is licenced from ARM, the iGPU by Nvidia.

C, some Intellectual Property, such as the PS3 GPU, there may be some other comitial aspects I don't know about.


AMD have had a string of contract wins lately that are beside the Game Console wins, which is great news, AMD is also continuing in its restructuring and the paying down of the remainder of its debts, they say they will be profitable in Q3 this year, this is before the revenue from the xBox One and PS4 kicks in.

Nvidia are profitable and have been for a very long time, they also have a much larger cash stash than AMD.
The only problem Nvidia have (and it is a big one) is that they are almost entirely dependant on GPU sales, and they don't really have enough IP to branch out, they would have to rely on Intel and AMD to licence them the IP they would need to break into growing markets in a way that is significant enough to sustain them as they currently stand.
 
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flopper said:
what has been is no matter, what is to be is.
amd will with the console deal gain have a great advantage.
they will catch up and surpass nvidia with the frame sync with multi gpu as they already done so with single cards.

Once that happens, Nvidia will go away as 3dfx.
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Not sure if serious or trolling
 
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As a 7970 I am very happy with them not launching the new card until much later in the year.

Not having working silicon at E3 indicates a problem as they should have plenty of test boards already out there.

If they had something to show, it would have been there.

I would expect that they were going to show the 8970 and hit a last minute snag which they could not fix intime.

Instead of coming out and saying as such, they make it look like there was no intention of showing the card at E3 and that the FX announcement was the star of the show.
 
Besty said:
As a 7970 I am very happy with them not launching the new card until much later in the year.

Not having working silicon at E3 indicates a problem as they should have plenty of test boards already out there.

If they had something to show, it would have been there.

I would expect that they were going to show the 8970 and hit a last minute snag which they could not fix intime.

Instead of coming out and saying as such, they make it look like there was no intention of showing the card at E3 and that the FX announcement was the star of the show.
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Interesting theory but wrong imo. There was never going to be a gpu announcement as apart from a brief interview about battlefield 4 which lasted a few minutes there was no opportunity for them to announce anything. There was no AMD stage performance or anything.
 
I don't think that's really that noteworthy even in PR standards. It's not as if BF3 runs badly on AMD hardware nor was it locked to nVidia previously so it's not really that interesting that a PC game is running on AMD hardware.

On a separate note, I will probably get a pair of 8950s when they release (assuming they're rejected 8970s).
 
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